Purchasing my first sailboat & the survey

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ken336

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Dec 3, 2012
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hunter 380 sidney
I saw a hunter 336 in great condition, cosmeticlly, so I had a survey and a mechanical inspection done. It passed the mechanical but did not do so well in the survey. It had been grounded, rudder was saturated with water and the bulkheads were cracked and separated. I was not able to be with the surveyor when he did the inspection, bad mistake, so did not get the opportunity to see all the places I should look next time before I spend 1200.00 on inspections. Can anyone help me with a list of places I should check first and what questions I should be asking the owner?
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,462
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
I feel as though I may be repeating myself but the first AND most important person from whom you should be soliciting information and advice is the surveyor you already paid.
 
May 1, 2009
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Hunter 30 Groton, CT
Don't give up, use your knowledge to reduce the asking price. If you can return to the boat and get some additional photos. Much of what goes into a boat is repairable or replaceable. Winter is a fine time to get stuff done. I have a 295 and purchased it and save a ton of cash. The floor under the water heater was soft. I cut it out and replaced with marine plywood. I didn't like the way my fiberglass repair looked so I covered it with frp from Home Depot and it looks great. It's a give and take with used boats. Just my 2 cents
 
Jun 30, 2004
446
Hunter 340 St Andrews Bay
I agree with rlrmystic. You may get MORE than your $1200 worth in reduced price-not to beat the guy up, but at least now he (or she) knows you are serious. Did the surveyor provided and estimated cost to cure? That said, there may be better 336s or similar out there. This may be the time when you ask yourself-will I be satisfied with a used boat? or do I need a smaller boat with the new fiberglass smell? Happy Huntering! Let us know how it all turns out.
 
Jun 30, 2004
446
Hunter 340 St Andrews Bay
and btw, this website is a great source of "pre-offer" knowledge. Just search through the website in owner reviews and in regards to the boat model or your concern (such as bent keel wing..29.5 subfloor!) Yeah Mystic, lots of 29.5s had those issues but I never heard of one sinking from it!) Congrats on your repairs-post pics!
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
This is repeating some of what said here already, but your 1200 bucks should by you more than just paper. He should take the time to go over the report detail by detail, to YOUR satisfaction, not his. Be prepared with a detailed list of questions.

Re this boat, walk away. It might be a project boat for someone, but not you.
 
Nov 8, 2007
1,593
Hunter 27_75-84 Sandusky Harbor Marina, Ohio
Trying to understand

Ken, do I hear that you are moving away from this boat, based on the survey, and are asking how you can reduce the chances of choosing a boat that doesn't survey acceptably as you search for another boat?

If so, I would first say that you survey money was certainly well spent! A survey often (as in our case when we bought Lady Lillie) identifies negotiating points on condition that allow for prices reductions that more than pay for the survey. In our case, it was also a good (although not 100%) start for our annual maintenance list.

Then, as others have suggested, meet with your surveyor, and ask him how you can pre-inspect a boat to eliminate losers before making an offer, and paying for a survey.

I recall an article on this subject, but can't remember where I read it. Maybe someone else will, or I will succeed in recalling it.

If it is any help, I would not expect to be able to see that a boat had been grounded with some violence either. Issues with attachment of the bulkhead can also be hard to see.

We can help you with this if you bring any observations you feel are abnormal to this site for our reaction.

Good luck! This is still a buyers market, so I am confident you will find your dream boat!
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
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1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
It may have been grounded but is the hull and deck solid? It's mechanically fine so not sure why you would just walk away because bulkheads and rudder need replacing. Maybe get estimates on repairs if you can't do it yourself and ask for a price adjustment. Heck, my boat was submerged at one time. Hull and deck are solid. Just had to replace the delaminated bulkheads and electrical panel. I got me a good solid boat for a song.
 
Oct 25, 2011
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Island Packet IP31 Lake St. Louis, Montreal
<SNIP> Then said:
We used the following checklist as a guie when we inspected and bought our last boat. (It's on another forum so I hope posting the link is ok.) http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-review-purchase-forum/48177-boat-inspection-trip-tips.html

Another site well worth visiting is the Port Credit Marine Surveys site. Its' full of good info and entertaining to boot. http://www.pcmarinesurveys.com/

Specifically look at marine Survey 101 http://www.pcmarinesurveys.com/Marine Survey 101.htm and 10 Questions for your Surveyor http://www.pcmarinesurveys.com/choose your marine surveyor marine toronto.htm

(I'm in no way affiliated with them, just an entertained reader of the site

Matt
P.S. Just for fun look at the two "stoopid" features http://www.pcmarinesurveys.com/Stoopid boat tricks builders survey surveyor.htm and http://www.pcmarinesurveys.com/Stoopid boat tricks owners survey surveyor.htm
 
Oct 29, 2012
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Catalina 30 TRBS MkII Milwaukee
Hi Ken,
Did you pay the surveyor before getting a report? I would think that he would be willing to meet with you and dicuss the report, if not for nothing else than being a smart businessman. If not, I would doubt you would utilize his service again, or have a good report to others looking for a survey.
That being said, would this be your first boat? Other than unseen mechanical issues that may require some expertise, your experience could come into play.
Is there evidence of water leaking? Excessive soot at the engine exhaust ? The condiction of the standing, running rigging, and winchs ? Age, type and quality of the electronics? How is the interior woodwork , and upholtsry ?
First thing does it look well maintained ? Can the boatyard or seller provide service logs?
What do the guys working at the boatyard even have to say about the owner and how the boat was maintained. The yard manager or local rigger will sometimes provide candid opinions of the boat. As well as some at the dock or club. Did the seller race, cruise, or use the boat at the dock as a floating summer home?
It is sometimes hard when working through a broker to get a feel about the seller, but some questions might be; Why is the seller selling? Is the seller getting a bigger or newer boat? Relocating away. Or having financial difficulties? These questions are legitimate questions that a broker should be able and willing to answer. If the answers you get don't sound plausible, it may be a red flag. As well as time on the market? Will the broker assure a clean and free tittle and registration? Or may it end up in probate or a divorice suit?
There are a lot of boats for sale, and alot of not so good boats. Boat hunting can be fun, but it can become daunting. If you end up with a boat others have walked away from, it may be diffcult to get rid of as well.
Take your time, but be ready to move when you find the right boat, they don't stay on the market long. Have fun and Good-Luck !!
 
Jun 7, 2007
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Hunter 320 Williamsburg
$1200 may be the best money you spent this year, given what the surveyor found. Cheer up, and next time take an experienced sailor with you first who could give you a good opinion on whether to bid on Boat No. 2. Only then would you go for another survey.
 

ken336

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Dec 3, 2012
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hunter 380 sidney
thank you

I have decided to let this one go. I do not want to buy someone elses headache. I will talk to my surveyor and get his input on what I need to look for before I book another survey. I will check out those sites on surveying. I appreciate all your input as it nice to be able to ask questions when you are just starting out.
 
Oct 6, 2011
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CM 32 USA
I have decided to let this one go. I do not want to buy someone elses headache. I will talk to my surveyor and get his input on what I need to look for before I book another survey. I will check out those sites on surveying. I appreciate all your input as it nice to be able to ask questions when you are just starting out.
Some surveyors, having failed a boat, will hand you a short list of other boats in your area, simular to your interests, that have passed a survey but for one reason or another, are still available.
 
May 1, 2009
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Hunter 30 Groton, CT
You may approach the seller with an copy of offical survey and recover some of your cost. Just never hurts to inquire. The eventual buyer will almost certainly want one. Today's insurance companies want this to insure.
 

JST123

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Jun 17, 2011
42
Hunter 33.5 Lake Ouachita
1200 for a survey on a 336?!?!?!!!! That seems high to me. Been two years but a accredited survey for my 33.5 two years ago was a little less than 500. Might want to shop arond a little bit.
 

ken336

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Dec 3, 2012
26
hunter 380 sidney
1200.00

That was for the survey, haul out and the mechanical inspection.
 

jtm

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Jun 14, 2004
313
Hunter 28.5 Dataw Island, SC
For your own education to perform the walk thru on a used/pre-owned boat, You may want to get a copy of Don Casey's paperback book (about 141 pages)- "Inspecting the Aging Sailboat"( pub by The International Marine Sailboat Library. I bought my copy online for less than $20 delivered from Practical Sailor.

It will walk you thru the "due diligence" inspections you can do, for free, yourself to determine if you should move on to the next (expensive) step - calling in the pros- whose survey you'd need to negotiate & adjust price for problem issues and insure the boat later.
 
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