First race - Damage report

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Apr 19, 2011
456
Hunter 31 Seattle
We raced around Vashon island (30 miles) in 20-30 knot winds and 2-4 ft waves. Some boats registered apparent winds of 44+ knots!

Ripped spinnaker from clew to clew
Main sail (only a couple months old) ripped the headboard from slug taking the next 3 with it
broken travelor
broke VHF
main sheet was nearly snapped (its hanging on by maybe 20%)
lost hat
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,062
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
Re: First race- Damage report

Except for the expense, it seems a good acid test was had.

I hate losing hats.
 
Apr 19, 2011
456
Hunter 31 Seattle
Except for the expense, it seems a good acid test was had.

I hate losing hats.
Yes, we sure did!

The biggest thing was how we depowered the sails. Speaking with a buddy thats sailed all over the place said I did my reefing backwards. I usually start doing stuff with the main, then reefing the main then start furling the jib. Well, this race we got "Stuck" in this one section of the bay and couldnt make any forward progress. We were having a hard time balancing the boat with enough power to punch through the waves but not on her ear. It was tricky to say the least. Next time I'll furl the jib but leave a tiny piece to direct some wind to the main.

little gopro video we took...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfPkBzkHp8Q&feature=youtu.be

cabin is a complete mess getting knocked around. It was nice before we started I swear!
 
Oct 6, 2008
857
Hunter, Island Packet, Catalina, San Juan 26,38,22,23 Kettle Falls, Washington
You didn't say how large your headsail was but sometimes you must change to a smaller size. Rolled in headsails don't work very well racing. I like to change to a smaller size on my headsail first, reef second and if that's not enough then I simply 'Kiss my fanny good-by".
At least you have some of the most beautiful waters in the world to view while ruining your bank account.
Ray
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,702
Hunter 34 Alameda CA
Looks fine to me and fun. We usually have to sail with 2 reefs in the main here in SF and no more than two wraps on the roller furling. If the wind is more than 25 and we are sailing anywhere with the wind forward of the beam the traveller gets dumped all the way down and the jib cars get moved way back. as we approach 30 we drop the main entirely (like you ended up doing) and make hull speed on the jib alone. Then you finally know you're sailing.
 
Apr 19, 2011
456
Hunter 31 Seattle
You didn't say how large your headsail was but sometimes you must change to a smaller size. Rolled in headsails don't work very well racing. I like to change to a smaller size on my headsail first, reef second and if that's not enough then I simply 'Kiss my fanny good-by".
At least you have some of the most beautiful waters in the world to view while ruining your bank account.
Ray

We were debating this. I do have an old Jib that came with the boat. Looking back on it I really wished we would of swapped it out! We were way over powered.

I did learn that its better to have your main up and no jibb since you can adjust it better and it pull's the boat through the water better than from the front
 

TR6

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Jan 22, 2008
52
Hunter 31_83-87 Point Roberts, WA
I usually have a guy on the traveller and when I feel her starting to round up, yell "DUMP IT". I firmly believe that on these boats, ther main is the first to get reefed and the genoa last. Heres a clip from the Seniahmoo Bay Regatta a couple of years ago. Cruising division - 4 entries, 4 wins !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWoS19wXU8s
 
Mar 28, 2010
91
Catalina C320 Washington, NC
We raced around Vashon island (30 miles) in 20-30 knot winds and 2-4 ft waves. Some boats registered apparent winds of 44+ knots!

Ripped spinnaker from clew to clew
Main sail (only a couple months old) ripped the headboard from slug taking the next 3 with it
broken travelor
broke VHF
main sheet was nearly snapped (its hanging on by maybe 20%)
lost hat
Racing....seems like an expensive hobby. And you are likely to get this kind of damage often?
 
Apr 19, 2011
456
Hunter 31 Seattle
Racing....seems like an expensive hobby. And you are likely to get this kind of damage often?
this was more operator error. I haven't been in winds like this before so I had some lessons.

1. Don't run dead downwind with spinnaker, full main, following seas and gusts to 35! You cant depower boat. I should of reached and stuck pole more forward to hide spin behind main.

2. I should of had the main up and jibb down to have a more stable boat.

3. More caution when gybing. Chicking gybe instead perhaps.

4. Should of had backup handheld vhf

I couldn't afford it if I broke stuff this offten. Granted the travelor was 25 years old and the main sheet was equally old. I haven't broken something that we have replaced yet like the winch's or blocks.

We get lots of stuff of Craigslist and second wind
 
Jan 13, 2009
394
J Boat 92 78 Sandusky
this was more operator error. I haven't been in winds like this before so I had some lessons.

1. Don't run dead downwind with spinnaker, full main, following seas and gusts to 35! You cant depower boat. I should of reached and stuck pole more forward to hide spin behind main. Good plan- You need to work on your crew work and set-up a little. As a gust starts: release vang, pole forward, spin sheet out, dump main. The crew needs to do this quickly.

2. I should of had the main up and jibb down to have a more stable boat. Not necessarily. A 120% jib on the roller furler would have been a better option and then start reefing main as wind builds. You will need that headsail to power through waves/chop.

3. More caution when gybing. Chicking gybe instead perhaps. That's a tough one, Chicken gybes with a spinnaker??? With a jib we usually have a crew carefully pull the mainsheet over while another crew rapidly pulls sheet in and then releases sheet as it passes center line. Practice helps with this and it is not a maneuver inexperienced crew should try.

4. Should of had backup handheld vhf

I couldn't afford it if I broke stuff this offten. Granted the travelor was 25 years old and the main sheet was equally old. I haven't broken something that we have replaced yet like the winch's or blocks.
A Garhauer traveler is a nice replacement. Garhuaer rigid vang is nice to have. With both vang sheeting the main is a possibility for upwind work in high winds. You vang the main hard and lower traveler so that only back third of main is working. Crew plays traveler up and down in the puffs. Try ebay for replacement main sheet. You can usually find 8 or 10MM VPC cut end for around $1.00/ft or less.

We get lots of stuff of Craigslist and second wind
Good luck in the future. It looks like you are getting hooked. It can be a lot of fun to race and you definitely learn how to handle and set up your boat properly.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Awesome vid. Thanks for sharing!

Some randon thoughts.

Do you have a vang? Where is its control? Downwind the vang in your ripcord. Someone on it at all times. Blowing that will twist off the top of the sail and really depower the main. That will help keep you from rounding up. Be sure to put it back on after the puff so you have the ripcord again.

Try and keep a balanced sail plan when going to weather. Always some combo of main and jib. Better balance, and better on the rig as well.

You have found that gybing is harder on a boat with a cabin top traveler. But still possible.

Downwind were you reefed? In 30 knots you should be. Good practice, just as fast, and the boat stays under the mast.

If you see that kind of breeze often, try and frind a 'chicken chute'. Narrower in the mid girth. Safer downwind in a blow. And make a nice reaching chute as a bonus.
 
Oct 2, 2006
1,517
Jboat J24 commack


Pretty standard fall racing weather with deeeeeeeeeeeep pockest required :)






On the Cal 29 it took a good bit of trail and error to find sail combos that allowed the boat to stay balanced in all the way UP in wind strenths



The boat also likes a LOT of backstay to stay balanced and still point as the wind builds
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,736
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Those conditions, it seems to me, should not cause all that damage. Been there done that.
 
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