Relays In Lieu of Gen Xfer Switch

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Sep 25, 2008
615
Morgan 415 Out Island Rogersville, AL
Last year I bought a used generator and posted a thread requesting help to determine the best way to wire the generator into the house load and into the air conditioners. My boat is a Morgan 415 Out Island and utilizes two 30 amp shore power cords. One cord is dedicated to the house load and the other to two air conditioners. The generator is a 7.5kw (over kill I know) and has just two lines coming out (hot and neutral with ground being the generator casing). In response to my original thread, Stu Jackson was kind enough to provide a design utilizing a generator transfer switch (see attachment). Now that my back is mended (4 vertebrae fused), I am anxious to get started wiring. When buying supplies I was shocked to learn how expensive a 60 amp transfer switch is (~400$)!

For the sake of economy, I was wondering if it would be prudent to use a pair of 3PDT 40 amp power relays that I have. Using Stu’s wiring diagram as an aide, I came up with a design (see attachment). However, I am beginning to wonder if using relays is such a smart idea. Specifically, I am concerned about the case of one relay making contact to the generator while the other is connected to shore power. In an attempt to minimize harm (perhaps in my fantasies) I use one relay to switch the two black shore leads simultaneously. However, I suspect this is still not adequate. I wonder what the good folk at ABYC would have to say about using relays.

I appeal to the collective knowledge of the sailors here to help design a safe (and hopefully economical) solution for wiring up my generator.

Note: My preliminary design does not show the circuitry that energizes the relays. Also, in my diagram, I show the relays not making contact. If using the relays in lieu of a transfer switch, I would be sure that the relays, when not energized, connect with shore power.
 

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Sep 25, 2008
1,096
CS 30 Toronto
Why don't you wire the gen to a shore line outlet socket (female). When you use it, plug the cord from the existing shoreline socket to this new outlet. It's not as pretty but save a bundle $$$. You only need to use the genset at anchor anyway.

You can make it prettier by a socket near the existing one and make a very short cord.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,360
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
The Sterling is a great find, new find by Maine Sail since our last discussion. Forget the relays.

Glad you're feeling better.
 
Sep 25, 2008
615
Morgan 415 Out Island Rogersville, AL
Golly Mainsail, that is an excellent price. It is a no-brainer. Thanks.
 
Sep 25, 2008
615
Morgan 415 Out Island Rogersville, AL
After a closer look at the Sterling 50A transfer switch, I am not sure that it is set up to switch two shore power lines in such away that the two on-board AC circuits (house load and air-conditioner power supply) can be brought together (hot to hot and neutral to neutral) to facilitate connecting to the genset.
 
Dec 25, 2008
1,580
catalina 310 Elk River
Get two of the manual switches. BTW if you decide to use the relays, don't split them up, cause if only A relay energizes than you have B rail with no return.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
You only need to use the genset at anchor anyway.
We go days without running the auxiliary engine, sailling off anchor or moor and using our 1 quart / hour 10hp diesel genset to keep everything charged up. It makes a fraction of the noise of the Yanmar and is barely audible under sail. Nothing like having AC below on a light wind downwind sail in 95 F summer weather! And reverse heat keeps the cabin warm for those late season sails we love so much.
 
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