I have a 1986 Oday 222 with an aged and cracked rubber hose which encases the centerboard pennant and connects the pulley housing to the metal curved tubing up to the cockpit. I removed the clamps, couldn't loosen the hose by any means, and since the hose was coiled wire reinforced I couldn't cut and split it either. In attempting to pry off the hose I broke the PVC (?) pipe coming off of the pulley housing right where the dark grey, very hard, material was covering the pipe and housing. Using my dremel I ground away this hard material back around the pipe far enough so I could fit a new PVC coupling. I chemically cleaned the original pipe with alcohol, and using brand new PVC primer and PVC glue I attempted to fit the new coupling to the pipe. The glue didn't "take", altho it worked as normal on the joint of the new coupling and a piece of new PVC pipe extension out the other end. Maybe the original pipe isn't PVC after all. My thinking is that I will thoroughly clean around the existing pipe and hard grey material, slide on the coupling (with new PVC pipe glued and sticking out the other end of the coupling to attach the new hose to), coat epoxy to this area and then wrap the entire joint area with a couple of layers of 3" fiberglass cloth and epoxy - saturating the cloth with epoxy with each wrap, which will cover the hard gray material, existing pipe, and new coupling. I presume this will make a lasting and watertite connection. Has anyone else ever had this problem and how did you fix it ?? Am I on the right track ?? Thanks for any suggestions.
Help !! Repairs to certerboard pennant tube
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Re: Help !! Repairs to certerboard pennant tube
Bear:
Please post a picture. Does your 222 have an access plate at the centerboard pulley ? Not all have the access plate. See attached examples of 222s with and without access plate. Is the "dark gray hard material" you refer to located under the cabin step?? Not sure what the original non-PVC material is, but there are other solvents to bond PVC to ABS et al. Check at the plumbing department- and take a sample of original non-PVC material along.
Mich222
Bear:
Please post a picture. Does your 222 have an access plate at the centerboard pulley ? Not all have the access plate. See attached examples of 222s with and without access plate. Is the "dark gray hard material" you refer to located under the cabin step?? Not sure what the original non-PVC material is, but there are other solvents to bond PVC to ABS et al. Check at the plumbing department- and take a sample of original non-PVC material along.
Mich222
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Bear, I think you're on the right track. Do whatever you think that might work to get a hose to fit on it and be water tight. I would replace that hose with a reinforced vinyl hose from any hardware store. I don't like rubber hoses in a boat, myself. I don't trust them.
Re: Help !! Repairs to certerboard pennant tube
Mine is the one without the inspection plate, and your pics are exactly like mine. Someone recommended that I contact Rudy at DR Marine, and Rudy says the original tube he believes is fiberglass, since ODay never used PVC pipe, and the hard grey material he believes is a product similar to JB Weld. And, Joe, Rudy agrees with you, that I could do what I propose and it should work. So I'm with you too. Thanks to you guys, Mich and Joe (and Rudy), for giving me the confidence to go ahead. The real plus is that by adding a piece of PVC aft of the coupling I am moving the S.S. clamps and hose out to behind the step where it will be easier to work on next time, and shortening the length of rubber hose considerably. And, since there should not be much water pressure within the various tubings I don't think it has to withstand much pressure. I'll let you all know how it turns out.
Mine is the one without the inspection plate, and your pics are exactly like mine. Someone recommended that I contact Rudy at DR Marine, and Rudy says the original tube he believes is fiberglass, since ODay never used PVC pipe, and the hard grey material he believes is a product similar to JB Weld. And, Joe, Rudy agrees with you, that I could do what I propose and it should work. So I'm with you too. Thanks to you guys, Mich and Joe (and Rudy), for giving me the confidence to go ahead. The real plus is that by adding a piece of PVC aft of the coupling I am moving the S.S. clamps and hose out to behind the step where it will be easier to work on next time, and shortening the length of rubber hose considerably. And, since there should not be much water pressure within the various tubings I don't think it has to withstand much pressure. I'll let you all know how it turns out.
Re: Help !! Repairs to certerboard pennant tube
I don't have the access plate. I wish I did because it would make it easier to add some type of hardware or set up so that when the centerboard is stuck in the up position from having weeds in the recessed hull that I could push down/deploy the centerboard from the cabin.
I don't have the access plate. I wish I did because it would make it easier to add some type of hardware or set up so that when the centerboard is stuck in the up position from having weeds in the recessed hull that I could push down/deploy the centerboard from the cabin.
Boy, that's a new one on me. I thought that all the O'Day 222s were set up like mine with the removable sole plate.
There's a lady in NV who runs a sailing school on Lake Tahoe. She has an 87 O'Day 222 that was made on the West coast and she has the same set up as my boat with the sole plate, but the factory back then neglected to install the sheave for the centerboard pendant line inside the keel slot.
There's no strap, or U bolt with nuts sticking out of the hump. They didn't even bore the holes. She keeps wearing out pendant lines on this boat. I couldn't believe it. The guy who was working on that boat must have gone on a coffee break and forgot to install the sheave. Who'da thunk it?I don't know where my boat was made, but I think on the west coast. I have no way of knowing from the serial number. Yes an access plate would be nice, but if mine has one it is buried under the hard grey material (wish I had a better name, ha, ha). There are no bolt stubs sticking up. If it ever cools down a little here I'll try to get a picture of what I have. It is so hot and humid that all you want to do is huddle around the A/C. I do know that the pennant is original, and in very good shape, surprising. So, I must have a sheave buried in there some place. But due to the weather I have yet to get it in the water, which is killing me, but it may come to pass that my centerboard won't go down either. The previous owner was the original owner, buying it new in 1986, and he assured me that the pennant was original and the centerboard worked. But ya never know. In later years he could have just sailed it with the board stuck up. But, I sure hope it works. I think that the ODay idea of a sheave, then a short pipe, then a rubber hose, then a curved metal tube to the cockpit seems a little hectic, surely they could have done something simpler. Oh well.
Actually they did have a simpler way to run the pipe straight down to the centerboard from the cockpit for the pendant line without using the sheave before they started building the O'Day 222. Their later model O'Day 22 had a keel/centerboard. I think that this boat was one of the last boats that they built before they made the big change. It's possible that they needed to go with an "L" shaped pipe and sheave in order to make room for a 48 quart cooler behind the wood step in the cabin.
Even so, I found it was a real pain trying to get my 48 qt. cooler in there. I had to remove the Starboard mattresses and slide it in from the quarter birth on that side. Then I came up with the idea of making that wood step detachable. Today I'm able to remove the step and put my 50 qt Igloo cooler in that spot without messing with my mattresses.
Do you have a roller trailer for this boat? My boat came with a single axle Load-Rite roller trailer with keel rollers and 15" tires. I was always able to slide my trailer out from under my boat to check my centerboard. Of course, it goes without saying that it can be dangerous.
If you can get your hand in there where the pipe goes into the hump, you should be able to feel the metal strap and the two nuts that hold the sheave up inside the keel slot. The single sheave is attached to a special type of "U" bolt and the best way to describe the "U" bolt is to compare it to a regular bow eye which has a welded plate that only allows the bolts to go into the hull as far as the plate,which butts up against the fiberglass hull.
This sheave /"U" bolt assembly which is one unit, is inserted through the bottom of the keel slot with a long tool in the holes of a small pocket, and the small stainless steel backup plate and the two nuts are attached to the "U"bolt to the hump from inside of the cabin. The hump is merely the outside of a small pocket up inside the keel slot where the sheave is located. The hose from the metal pipe leads into this pocket, and the pendant line runs through the sheave.
This is the way my keel/centerboard is set up. I'm assuming that your boat has a place for the 48 qt cooler behind the wood step right?
You're going to need to gain access to the hump in order to make repairs to the pipe. I would do whatever it takes to get that access.
Let us know how you make out on this. Good luck!
Joe
Joe:
If you ever remove that access plate, would you take some pictures? I would like to add the access plate to my boat. I suspect that the access plate is below the waterline, but haven't checked.
If you ever remove that access plate, would you take some pictures? I would like to add the access plate to my boat. I suspect that the access plate is below the waterline, but haven't checked.
Check your email Mich. I'll try to get up some dimensions and send them to you.
Joe
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