Reefing O'day240 Mainsail

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Feb 20, 2011
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oday 240 Glen Cove
I tried reefing my mainsail on my O'day 240 for the first time this week and did not have great success. Does any other 240 owner have any practical advice about their experiences reefing the mainsail on their boats?

Thanks,

Mitch D.
 
Feb 20, 2011
10
oday 240 Glen Cove
I found that with all the turns and pulleys (all of which are new), that it was not as easy to do as I'd hoped.
 

ruidh

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Oct 1, 2007
227
Oday 23 Manhasset Bay, LI
Hmmm. I read that page and that is not at all what I have on my 23. I have a ring in the sail by the mast and a line tied to the boom and run up through an eye, down to a block and forward to a jam cleat. To reef, I ease the main halyard, put the ring through a horn on the boom, take in the line at the aft end and cleat it off. Then tighten the main halyard again. A few elastic sail ties gather up the loose sail.

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Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Hmmm. I read that page and that is not at all what I have on my 23. I have a ring in the sail by the mast and a line tied to the boom and run up through an eye, down to a block and forward to a jam cleat. To reef, I ease the main halyard, put the ring through a horn on the boom, take in the line at the aft end and cleat it off. Then tighten the main halyard again. A few elastic sail ties gather up the loose sail.

Search my flickr for "reef" http://www.flickr.com/photos/ruidh
Ruidh,
He has an O'Day 240 with internal control lines in his boom and a floating sheave that allows him to reef with one line. My 222 is set up similar to yours in that I need to insert the ram's horn on the goose neck into the reefing cringle on the luff of the main before pulling on the reefing line. My boom is similar to his in that it has internal control lines. I have three of them. One is for the out haul and the other two are for the reefing and topping lift. I'm not certain about this, but I think that the O'Day 240s have only two control lines in the boom. One is for reefing and the other is an out haul. Some of the 240s had a pig tail on the back stay to hold up the boom.

Hey by the way. Those are great pics! Thank you for sharing them.
Joe
 
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Oct 30, 2008
16
Oday 302 Kansas City, MO
Mitch -

My O'Day has the same set-up as yours, and I also found the jiffy reefing lacking. Simply pulling in on the reefing line did not work. After repeated trail & error, it has now become routine to the place its no problem even single handed.

First step is to loosen the main sheet and drop the halyard whatever is needed, five foot or so. My topping lift keeps the boom off the cabin top. Then use a short line to lash the leach cringle tightly to the boom. I keep a six foot piece os 3/8 line handy for this, lashing through the cringle. Next, here at the leach cringle, pull the slack in the jiffy reefing line out of the sail. The extra line will get pulled back through the boom next.

Now at the cabin top, bring in the reefing line enough to keep the luff cringle about four inches below the boom as the mainsail is raised. This step is much easier with two until you can mark the spot on your line that holds this cringle below the boom.

Then winch the main back up and re-set the main sheet. Whether I tie the small reefing lines in the middle of the sail usually depend if I reefed at the dock, or while underway. All this can be done from the cockpit except for the small lines, so they usually only get used when I reef at the dock.

Lashing the leach cringle needs to be done quickly, so you want to be ready. The boom will kick around in the wind and you have your back to the tiller if you are alone. The rest is pretty straight forward.

Hope this helps - and stay safe.

Dan J.
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Dan,
Have you thought about installing a horn on your goose neck? Maybe Mitch would be better off removing the sheave in the boom and installing a horn on the goose neck too. You need to get up there and roll and tie the bunt of the sail anyway.
All I do when I reef the main is take up on the topping lift, lower the main to where I can insert the reef cringle in the horn, raise the main, pull on the reefing line and let the topping lift off. I do all this at the mast. Sometimes I'm able to do it while sailing under autopilot. My dog Penelope hasn't mastered the tiller yet. :D
Joe
 

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Oct 30, 2008
16
Oday 302 Kansas City, MO
Morning Joe -

Penelope knows how to man the tiller, she just finds it more entertaining to sit back !

Using the horn and topping lift from the mast may be best for Mitch. Then he can simplify the reefing line routing by eliminating the luff cringle point, which might solve his whole issue.

This weekend, I am going to try replacing the reefing line to see if this doesn't free up the action. New line always works better because my billfold is hundred dollars lighter. I'ld like to retain the benefit of being able to pull the luff cringle slightly below the boom; it flattens the sail and makes the reefing points lie on the boom.

I use the horn for the Cunningham, why not for reefing? I'll post an update next week after the holliday.

Question for you - the slug under the boom where the reefing line attaches under the leach cringle - is its position fixed ? Mine slides and I wonder if I can get a better purchase on the cringle to bring it closer to the boom if I made it fixed about four inches behind the cringle. Your thoughts ??

Thanks
Dan J
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Morning Joe -

Penelope knows how to man the tiller, she just finds it more entertaining to sit back !

Using the horn and topping lift from the mast may be best for Mitch. Then he can simplify the reefing line routing by eliminating the luff cringle point, which might solve his whole issue.

This weekend, I am going to try replacing the reefing line to see if this doesn't free up the action. New line always works better because my billfold is hundred dollars lighter. I'd like to retain the benefit of being able to pull the luff cringle slightly below the boom; it flattens the sail and makes the reefing points lie on the boom.

I use the horn for the Cunningham, why not for reefing? I'll post an update next week after the holliday.

Question for you - the slug under the boom where the reefing line attaches under the leach cringle - is its position fixed ? Mine slides and I wonder if I can get a better purchase on the cringle to bring it closer to the boom if I made it fixed about four inches behind the cringle. Your thoughts ??

Thanks
Dan J
Ahoy Dan,
I just recently replaced the reefing line in my boom with a 5/16" line and it works better than the line that I had in there so don't make the mistake that I made years ago when I first replaced my line with a thicker diameter line. The other line was running through the sheave at the end of the boom and forever getting hung up. I made that same mistake years ago when I bought my halyards. It's true that new line always works better, but so can an old line of the correct diameter. I guess that we learn through our mistakes and I've been guilty of that many times.
If you have a ram's horn on your goose neck fitting, it should be used for reefing unless you are reefing from the cockpit, then you can rig a line that will hold the reefing cringle close to the mast and boom.

My gooseneck is fixed to the mast on my boat. I have no tack downhaul. Also, I need to remove the last sail slide from the mast track before reefing my main.
I have never used a Cunningham on my boat, but most Cunninghams are attached to either a bale at the bottom of the mast or one of the holes in the utility plate under the tabernacle.
Some of the O'Day sloops like the 272 are set up so that you can reef from the cockpit. They even come equipped with a mainsail jack line which is designed to put slack in the last sail slugs in the mast track so that the sail won't bind when it's reefed. This is why I don't like halyards led back to the cockpit. I can get the job done a lot easier and faster at the mast.
What I would do Dan is replace the reefing line in the boom with the right diameter line and when you reef your sail take up on your topping lift and lower your main and remove one or two sail slides out of your mast track. Then stick the reefing cringle on the horn. Pull your main sail up and pull on your reefing line. Let your topping lift off and roll up the loose bunt of your sail. That sail should lay pretty close on the boom when it's reefed.
I have sail slides on the foot of my main sail which makes it pretty easy to tie my reefing points around the bunt of the sail in between the top of the boom and the bottom of the sail foot.

For a sail slide stop, I'm using a short piece of 3/16" braid line above my mast winch. I tie a slipped reef knot in this line to keep my sail slides from falling out of the mast track. I never liked those knob type sail stop thingies that they sell and it wouldn't work on my mast anyway.
For those who don't have a mast winch to hold the braid line sail stop in place, a nylon wire clip screwed to the mast would work for them.
Outside of that, I've been lubricating all my sail slides including the ones on the sail foot, with Dawn liguid dishwashing detergent. What a difference it makes. My mainsail comes flying down the mast whenever I let off the main halyard. I hope that I was able to answer your question.
Let me know how you make out.
Joe
 

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ruidh

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Oct 1, 2007
227
Oday 23 Manhasset Bay, LI
I need to remove the last sail slide from the mast track before reefing my main.
I don't put the bottom sail slide in at all. I'm not going to go forward with a screwdriver when I need to reef.
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
I don't put the bottom sail slide in at all. I'm not going to go forward with a screwdriver when I need to reef.
You may have the same sail slug feed slot on your mast that I have.
When I first got my boat, the sail slugs were hard to put in and take out of the mast feed slot and when I had a new mainsail made, the sail slugs were easier to put in and take out. You may try changing that last sail slug or sand it down a little and add some dish washing liquid to it.
 
Oct 30, 2008
16
Oday 302 Kansas City, MO
Morning Joe -

Here in Kansas City, we had steady winds around 18 - gusts to 30 - on Sunday, so I started under reefed main alone. But I reefed at the dock, and didn't get the new lines installed anyway so I have no feedback on if new lines significantly improve the slab reefing system on these time tested boats.

Saturday, the temperature got up to nearly 100 with winds @ 10 out of the south. Sunday the high was only 73 with a north wind gusting to 30. Welcome to the Midwest ...

Trust everyone that got out this wekend had a fun and safe three day holiday, and there is always next weekend for those that stayed grounded.

Dan J
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Morning Joe -

Here in Kansas City, we had steady winds around 18 - gusts to 30 - on Sunday, so I started under reefed main alone. But I reefed at the dock, and didn't get the new lines installed anyway so I have no feedback on if new lines significantly improve the slab reefing system on these time tested boats.

Saturday, the temperature got up to nearly 100 with winds @ 10 out of the south. Sunday the high was only 73 with a north wind gusting to 30. Welcome to the Midwest ...

Trust everyone that got out this wekend had a fun and safe three day holiday, and there is always next weekend for those that stayed grounded.

Dan J
It's always a good idea if you can reef at the dock, especially with a 302.
I have a friend who has a boat that size and he keeps it reefed every time he goes out in it. He suffered a stroke years ago and he's partialy paralyzed, but that doesn't stop him from going out sailing. I've gone sailing with him a couple of times and he does real well at handling that boat.
I know that I found a big difference when I changed my reefing line last year. The line diameter can make a big difference. If it's a little to thick it will hang up in the sheaves. Like I said, we learn through our mistakes.
Next year I'm going to rig up a home made boom brake on my boat. I ordered a Black Diamond Super Eight belay device last week from Backcountry.com and I just got it about twenty minutes ago from UPS. I have the braid line and the two single sheaves to make it work. I'll have to wait till next year to install it because my boat is on stands next to the house and it's all emptied out. I had removed my roller furler and stripped my mast about a week ago.
My friend Wayne got the idea from a web site that he found of a guy who put one together for his 31' sloop. So Wayne put one together and he liked it after he tried it out. The Super Eight is a mountain climbing descending device.
I'm all done for the season and now is the time to start some new mods on my boat. I can still go in the cabin and hang out, have a coffee or take a nap. I have some new ideas on the changes I want to make on her. I really have no qualms about pulling her out early. I only need to step out the door and she's right there sitting on stands next to the house.
Joe
 
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