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c_witch

c_witch

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Dec 20, 2010
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Yankee Condore 21 Halifax
Hiee all,

Once again I am back to trying to figure out where to add a 20 gallon (90 litre) water tank to our boat. Please keep in mind that this is a small boat of 22 feet with no real bilge. I have looked at the flexable tanks and ruled them out as they require a bigger foot print per gallon then the solid tanks. It seems that I am also going to be stuck with using a rectangular one as well. I expect it will be a todd unit 30l x 16w x 10d.
There seems only 2 places one being just aft of the batteries under the cockpit and adding another 190lbs there or cutting the front of the v-berth out and running the tank all the way forward to the flotation chamber and then installing a new facing for the v-berth behind the tank and loosing about a foot of free board there.

Thanx,
Brina
 
dscribner

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Nov 9, 2008
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Pearson-O'Day 290 Portland Maine
Brinna,

What do you expect to be doing that requires 20 gallons of fresh water? A 22 footer is only good for so long. Even my 25 footer, with 5'10 head room and enclosed head, gets small for two after a few days. And a 5 gallon water jug with a case of Poland Springs is more than enough for washing and drinking.
 
zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
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1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
4 sun showers.......or 5 if they are the 4 gallon ones.....
 
c_witch

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Dec 20, 2010
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Yankee Condore 21 Halifax
dscribner said:
Brinna,

What do you expect to be doing that requires 20 gallons of fresh water? A 22 footer is only good for so long. Even my 25 footer, with 5'10 head room and enclosed head, gets small for two after a few days. And a 5 gallon water jug with a case of Poland Springs is more than enough for washing and drinking.
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Hiee,

While most of our sailing will be coastal hopping I foresee some instances when we will have to sail 500nm or more. My tank size is based on 1 gallon / day for each of us and 9 gallons available with a averaged passage time of 3nm / hr. It may be overly conservative but better safe then sorry seems right in this circumstance.

Brina
 
Sumner

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
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Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
We figure about 1 1/2 gallons a day for the two of us if it isn't extremely hot and we have other liquid aboard. The includes cooking, washing dishes, sponge baths and drinking. We have acutally made it on a little less than that like when we were on Lake Powell in October and it was cool.

We now carry a little over 40 gallons and can go a month on that. We anchor out, never stay in Marinas and don't like going to them or having to find a place to go ashore in unfamiliar water. We were out almost 1 month last fall and 2 months this spring in Florida and only added water a couple times and then weren't out.

Like you I tried to find collapsible tanks or fixed ones and gave up on that. We use one ...



http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor/inside-8.html

.....7 gallon, arrow above, that is plumbed to the sink and don't use an electric pump as it wastes too much water. The other seven gallon next to the main one gets transferred into the left one when needed via an electric pump, see link above. These two tanks are located where the head use to be and are now under the extended....



http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor/inside-5.html

....V-berth.

Further towards the bow and under the V-berth are ....



http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor/inside-16.html

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor2/inside-16-a.html

.... six 4 gallon Reliance containers also for water. To get over 40 gallons we carry one more in the aft berth that is now just used for storage and three to four 1 gallon containers.

Some times it is easier to pour out of the 1 gallon containers than it is to pump. When the 7 gallon and the 4 gallon in the aft berth and the 1 gallon containers are about empty we fill them from the ones under the V-berth and are good to go for another week or so.

The individual containers have a lot of advantages. By using out of different ones we can help keep the boat trimmed out side to side and somewhat front to back. They are easy to clean at the end of the trip. If one was ever contaminated or had a leak we would only loose 4 or 7 gallons. At some places it is easier to go ashore with the dinghy for water vs. taking the Mac, like at Marathon where you can fill water right at the dinghy dock. The 7 gallon are heavy for me, late 60's, but the 4 gallon containers are easy to move around. They are heavy duty enough that we can back food and supplies along side of them and on top of them under the V-berth.

This system has worked out very well for us and we plan no changes. Our boat is a little larger than yours at 26 feet, but not by a lot.

Good luck and let me know if I can help. There are a lot more interior mods here....

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor/inside-index.html

...and if you read our trip reports, like this page.....

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/MacgregorTrips-3-Powell09/09-10-16-Powell-09.html

.....I spend time on how we live for extended trips on a small boat and don't like to end them :). I think we are setup for cruising better than some people with much larger boats. One reason is fuel storage, water storage, a 'real' frig and 200 watts of solar along with a 12 volt gen-set.

One last thing, we use Double Doodie bags, and can also easily go a month or more without visiting the shore for pump-outs or porta-pottie dumps. We plan on continuing this also on the Endeavour. In fact not much will change. We will just have a bigger boat, not necessarily a 'better one':),

Good luck on your trips,

Sum

Our Endeavour
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Our Trips to Utah, Idaho, Canada, Florida

Our MacGregor S
Pages

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Bill Roosa

Bill Roosa

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Jun 6, 2006
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currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Some other stuff to consider.
Collect rain water
get a hand powered water maker
get a towed water maker (uses a prop to power the unit)

Also consider what adding that much weight will do to boat balance. Most boats don't handle weight in the bow very well.
 
Manureva

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Jan 14, 2011
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tanzer tanzer 28 bathurst nb
i use a water bag in the bow of my 23 foot, the first one had a hole in it and made a mess ,but it was probably one in a million, it got replaced with an other tank, the added weigth up front changed drasticly the way my boat behave in rough weather, it is pounding a lot less and she is also more steady in the waves, she cuts trough instead of boncing over
 
Merlin Clark

Merlin Clark

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Oct 26, 2005
2,057
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Brina,
Rather than one 20 gallon tank how about two 10's? If you put one on each side, midships under the furniture you could avoid trim issues.
 
c_witch

c_witch

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Dec 20, 2010
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Yankee Condore 21 Halifax
Tankage

Hiee Merlinuxo,

I had hoped to have done something like that, but there simply is no room for them under the quarter berths. Our boat with the keel up it not unlike a shoal draft somewhat approaching a flat bottom lol well not flat but you get the idea. We also have 2 house batteries nestled between the keel cable tube at the aft of the cabin weight 170 to 180 lbs. The transom locker has a 6 gallon gas tank to port and will have a 5 gallon jerry can to starboard. Hanging on the transom is our 7.5 honda 4 stroke to port. The longitudinal centerline of the tank will lay on the centerline of the keel.
The tank is a bit forward of where I would like it to be ie weight wise but one has to live with what one can do on a small boat. I will be foaming under the bottom of the tank so that in the off chance we were to be holed there the foam should thwart any potential flooding issues long enough to beach her to effect some form of temporary water tight patch.

Brina
 
c_witch

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Dec 20, 2010
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Yankee Condore 21 Halifax
Sumner

As usual I am totally impressed by the improvements that you have made to your boat to make her 'truly' a cruising boat :) I applaud you. You are most right I think in saying that your probably more cruise worthy then 'many' of the bigger boats simply by fitting it out to your specific needs which most can't be bothered with.

Perhaps we will cross wakes in the southern waters some time in the future.

Happy sailing,
Brina
 
Sumner

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
mesange said:
.... the added weight up front changed drastically the way my boat behave in rough weather, it is pounding a lot less and she is also more steady in the waves, she cuts trough instead of bouncing over
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That has been our experience also. The boat is a lot steadier in the water going into weather. All the added weight resulted in us raising the water-line 1 1/2 inches when we painted the bottom but other than that it has been advantageous for us. Besides the added weight forward we have added weight mid-ship and astern. Also if we went out for a couple days we wouldn't fill all of the tanks in the bow.

We of course are old and slow, so don't really notice the performance thing. We have the rigging and the rest of the boat set-up for easy of use first.

c_witch said:
....Perhaps we will cross wakes in the southern waters some time in the future. Happy sailing, Brina
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That would be nice. We have meet some of the guys/gals on these boards and would like to meet more,

Sum

Our Endeavour 37

Our Trips to Utah, Idaho, Canada, Florida

Our MacGregor S Pages

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Merlin Clark

Merlin Clark

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Oct 26, 2005
2,057
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c_witch said:
Hiee Merlinuxo,

I had hoped to have done something like that, but there simply is no room for them under the quarter berths. Our boat with the keel up it not unlike a shoal draft somewhat approaching a flat bottom lol well not flat but you get the idea. We also have 2 house batteries nestled between the keel cable tube at the aft of the cabin weight 170 to 180 lbs. The transom locker has a 6 gallon gas tank to port and will have a 5 gallon jerry can to starboard. Hanging on the transom is our 7.5 honda 4 stroke to port. The longitudinal centerline of the tank will lay on the centerline of the keel.
The tank is a bit forward of where I would like it to be ie weight wise but one has to live with what one can do on a small boat. I will be foaming under the bottom of the tank so that in the off chance we were to be holed there the foam should thwart any potential flooding issues long enough to beach her to effect some form of temporary water tight patch.

Brina
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Gotcha.
What these guys are saying about the additional weight in the ends of the boat making for less pitch and better motion makes perfect sense and hadn't occured to me :doh:.
Apparently this old dog can learn a new trick!
 
dscribner

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Nov 9, 2008
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Pearson-O'Day 290 Portland Maine
Sum,

You and Ruth would go out for a month at a time in the Mac? Wow! Talk about close! Pam and I went out for 6 days and I wouldn't want to go much longer. But with all the cool mods you've done, and the experience, I'm sure it gets easier.

How's the Endeavor doing?

Don
 
Sumner

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
dscribner said:
Sum,

You and Ruth would go out for a month at a time in the Mac? Wow! Talk about close! Pam and I went out for 6 days and I wouldn't want to go much longer. But with all the cool mods you've done, and the experience, I'm sure it gets easier.

How's the Endeavor doing?

Don
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Well almost a month last fall and on our trip to Idaho/Canada a couple years ago now....

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor-trips-1/macgregor-trips-1-index.html

......and this past spring we were out over 7 weeks with just a couple days off the boat when we went and looked at the Endeavour and left the Mac on a ball at Marathon, a first for us.

Actually we have always pulled out of the water with regrets of not being able to stay out longer. We are lucky being retired, but still have some commitments back home. The strange part is the longer we are out the larger the boat seems to become as we get use to the available space and yes we are lucky to be very close and compatible. We like the time on the boat as we are even closer there vs. at home.

The Endeavour is in Florida and we are home in Utah :cry:. Ruth had a foot operation the end of July and will get her external pins out in a couple weeks, but still has to wear a protective boot until the end of Sept.. We had thought about going back to Florida in October, but now will stay here so she can get the operation on the other foot behind her. If that goes good and she can climb a step ladder, required to get in and out of the Endeavour, we will probably go back in January for the spring. We are making, building, sewing things for the Endeavour while at home. We brought the Bimini and Dodger Enclosures back and I made a mock-up of the cockpit so that we can recover them.

We'd be out on the Mac this fall on Lake Powell if it wasn't for the foot operations. Lots to do, but we are enjoying life,

Sum

Our Endeavour 37

Our Trips to Utah, Idaho, Canada, Florida

Our MacGregor S Pages

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c_witch

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Dec 20, 2010
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Yankee Condore 21 Halifax
Water tank

OK so today I went into Dartmouth and picked up our new water tank and a few other odds and ends. I decided to go with a todd 20 gallon tank and will modify the v-berth to allow for it to be installed along the keel line length wise. I am not overly worried about it as it will fit into a box constructed for it and the underside will be foamed just in the event we should be holed there. The down side is the fill and vent lines will be exposed in the port or starboard side of the v-berth bulkhead :(. Pictures to follow.

The builder cheaped out on the cockpit drain and hence the drain seperated from the sole. I have had to cut out the cockpit sole in order to access the area :eek: NOT FUN. Anyways will be installing a 1 1/2 90 degree thru hull running thru the lazzarette locker to a second thru hull in the transom then reinstalling a new sole section.

Got some rubber grommets so now I will run the cable for the anchor light and the ant cable inside the mast by drilling 1/2 inch holes about 8'' from the top and bottom of the mast and insert the grommets and the snake the cables thru. Hopefully they won't rattle around to much inside.

I have perhaps found a community yacht club about 45 minutes from home that is actually affordable. I was down there today for a look. It seems to be comprised of blue collar types although some of the power boats blue was a lot lighter then mine lol. Anyhow 50.00 annual membership fee and first year slip fee 500.00 and then 350.00 afterwards. They have water and power to the slips but no fuel or pump out service and it appears to be a somewhat safe area about 5 nm in from the inlet which opens to the atlantic. So heres hoping ( fingers crossed ) Rent a truck twice a year once to tow from home and launch and again late fall to haul out and take it home.. Floating docks that are anchored I think from what I could tell ie no pilings. And the boat ramp looks to be suitable and they also have a tongue extender available :).

Brina
 
Sumner

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
c_witch said:
....Got some rubber grommets so now I will run the cable for the anchor light and the ant cable inside the mast by drilling 1/2 inch holes about 8'' from the top and bottom of the mast and insert the grommets and the snake the cables thru. Hopefully they won't rattle around to much inside....
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This....



...has worked well for us with the cable. No more noticeable noise or maybe I've just gotten deafer :cry:. There is more here....

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor2/outside-41.html

.... and some more on the....



... VHF and anchor light wiring here...

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor2/outside-42.html

There is a link on that page also to the...



.... very low wattage (2 watt) anchor light that we really like.

Good luck on the tank install and post pictures,

Sum

Our Endeavour 37

Our Trips to Utah, Idaho, Canada, Florida

Our MacGregor S Pages

Mac-Venture Links
 
c_witch

c_witch

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Dec 20, 2010
294
Yankee Condore 21 Halifax
Brilliant ider :)

Geez Sumner ya done it again. What a brilliant idea for the wiring :)

This....

This....



I will deffinately be using that idea :)

Thanx,

Brina
 
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