Island Packet 37

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Feb 2, 2010
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Island Packet 37 Hull #2 Harpswell Me
Hello everyone
i am thinking of buying a 1995 Island Packet 37, asking price of $135,000.
Can anyone give me some things to look for during our inspection? How does she sail (slow i heard), handle in general and what is the general perception of this boat. What is the procceedure for using a staysail, normal tacking with the genoa would not seem to work.
your help is greatly appreciated.
 
May 28, 2009
764
Hunter 376 Pensacola, FL
How does she sail (slow i heard), handle in general and what is the general perception of this boat.
In ten knots of wind my Hunter 336 will beat the crap out of your Island Packet 37, which will basically just be bobbing around.

In 25 knots of wind I'll have rolled up everything, started the engine, and be headed in, while you'll be enjoying a brisk sail.

What type of sailing do you intend to do?
 

Eric M

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Sep 30, 2008
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Island Packet 35 Jacksonville
We have an IP35 and are very pleased with our choice. All IP's are designed to be heavy weather cruising boats. Under 10 knots they are a bit slow, above 10 knots we have no trouble getting her going, 15-20 knots and you will be sailing at hull speed. 20 knots at 60 degrees apparent and you might see 15 degrees of heel with full sail. This is the trade off for the amount of liveable space aboard and also for the heavy weather performance.

Tacking the genoa is actually easier with the cutter flying than not.

Check out the IP home port at:

http://www.iphomeport.com/forum/

There is also an extensive IP user group that communicates via an email list server managed by one of the owners.

Feel free to contact me directly if you have further questions.

Good Luck,

--Eric
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
We looked at several IP's before we finally concluded that they were out of our price range. The one draw back that I recall was the shortage of handholds in the cabin. There were areas in the cabin that I couldn't cross while holding on to something.
 
Feb 2, 2010
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Island Packet 37 Hull #2 Harpswell Me
Thanks for the response and links to other sites. I mainly coastal cruise on my Pearson 31 with a fin keel and the full keel with only 4.5foot draft is appealing for some of the anchorages we attempt to get into. In the long run we may head to blue water and sunnier climes for 6 months and the Island Packet strikes me as a much better option.
 

rfrye1

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Jun 15, 2004
589
Hunter H376 San Diego
It always is amazing to me when I board an IP or similar at boat shows and as walk the deck, the solid construction of these boats compared to my Hunter. One is like walking on concrete floor vs. a hollow floor. Of course I understand the trade-offs, but that solid dense feeling always impresses me.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,120
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
We looked at several IP's before we finally concluded that they were out of our price range. The one draw back that I recall was the shortage of handholds in the cabin. There were areas in the cabin that I couldn't cross while holding on to something.
Well that's certainly a deal breaker for me.
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,483
Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
The Island Packet is a dream boat for many of us. The survey is key of course. .
I'm with Ed on this. Find the harshest surveyor you can, the one brokers hate to work with. Do not price shop for surveyors. Be ther for the survey. Ask questions. Include a "sea trial" in your offer. Watch how the owner tacks the boat. Ask questions. IP's are very popular here in SW Florida, and no one seems to mind our light air conditions.
 

njsail

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Feb 18, 2010
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Bavaria Ocean 40 CC Forked River
I owned an Island Packet for about 10 years and loved it. If you are wondering about the solid feeling of the deck here is a picture of the solid core when I was installing a nicro vent. This is from a 1985 model. They still use a similar core today.
http://www.islandpacketphotos.com/pictures/Ad_832_6.jpg

In rough weather they don't really flex like a lot of other boats. I'm not saying that's good or bad just an observation. The full keel has pros and cons. They track awesome but are a pain in the @#$ backing up in a tight marina with a cross wind. yes there are techniques to overcome that con.

Also the joinery is top notch and the floor real teak and holly veneer but a solid floor not screwed down. the down side when you have to replace a tank or access things like chain plates you're going to be doing some woodwork deconstruction rather than unscrewing and unbolting. Quality is throughout the entire boat and even when you buy a used IP the factory is willing to provide support along with a huge owner base. I bought a 1985 model and was shocked when I called the factory and they actually helped me. That was a consistent experience from purchase to sale. Customer service doesn't get much better than that.
Definitely have a surveyor go over the boat. make sure to look at condition and age of tankage and chain plates as a top priority. Tanks are under the floor and chain plates are both not very accessible (as they are in many boats). If someone just replaced tanks or chain plates smile and be happy. They are both really big jobs on IP's (again - which is a common trait in many boats)

Would I buy one again - definitely YES with a good survey.
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
For blue water, lack of hand holds is a biggie. I also would not like the forward head. Any properly designed boat that is marketed for off-shore sailing should have a head at the base of the companionway. Easy to get to in big seas and good place to stow wet gear.

Our Caliber has a head in the fore peak for use when calm or in an anchorage. It has a second head at the base of the companionway. This is also good when sailing at night and not having to trudge through the boat and bother folks sleeping. When entertaining, the aft cabin gets their own private head.

But I would say the lack of performance would be the deal killer for me.
 
Oct 1, 2007
1,865
Boston Whaler Super Sport Pt. Judith
Not being an owner, I would offer from my observations that the IPs seem very slow under power. I have cruised by a number of them of comparable size in motoring and motor-sailing conditions. I recommend looking carefully at the HP in what I assume is a Yanmar, and the HP/waterline and HP/weight ratios. As we all know, those of us who do coastal cruising find ourselves powering or motor-sailing much more often than we'd like.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,688
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
If you are in a light wind area you are going to want to switch the Yankee out to a genoa which will make the boat hard to tack. I will occasionally race my cutter and it has a big genny which is harder than hell to tack in racing conditions made more difficult by winches that were intended to be used on a Yankee with half the sail area of my genny.
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Big difference

The biggest difference will be in intended use. You cannot beat a full keel, strongly built boat for blue water work. The reverse is true if your coastal cruising. The full keel boats track better and ride better in offshore conditions. My experience is somewhat limited, but helped a friend deliver a 39' Allied across the gulf from Tampa to Houston. You could basically get the sails trimmed, and then forget touching the wheel. For coastal cruising, they are less responsive to the helm, can be a real PITA to back into a slip, and the tracking ability looses importance. The determining factor, IMHO, should be the primary use intended.
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
island packets were designed for deep water cruising as were the garden designed ketches. they are not racing boats. ip should be a good choice for deep water cruising. before i got my garden ketch , ip was my dreamboat. smooth sailing
btw--hand holds are easily installed in mostly any boat out cruising.
 

njsail

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Feb 18, 2010
216
Bavaria Ocean 40 CC Forked River
As a former owner and active IP forum member I can attest they are not as slow as many people think. They are reaching machines and in a good breeze they are a lively sail. Most all of them are shoal draft and if you really want gunk holing there are centerboard models too. The regular shoal draft is usually around 4.5' so they aren't just for blue water sailing. They make great cruising boats. Even with a shoal draft the IP's stand up well and offer a nice ride in any weather comparative to many other boats. The full keel and IP design really make it easier on the crew in weather. If you're putting a lot of miles on an IP of any size gives a nice ride. They are very comfortable at anchor as well. The accommodations are usually very well laid out and efficient. I'm a fan of IP's....just make sure you hire a very good surveyor. They aren't cheap. Good luck.

The added benefit for Maine cruising is they have a full keep with a weed shoe fitted between the keel and the rudder allowing the lobster pot lines to slide over the keel and off the back with minimal chance to get tangled up.
 
Feb 2, 2010
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Island Packet 37 Hull #2 Harpswell Me
Thanks for all the hints and assistance, apart from the good blue water aspect of the IP, avoid lobster pots and ledges here in Maine is a big consideration.
Believe me, at this price i will not be going any where without a good surveyor.
 

njsail

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Feb 18, 2010
216
Bavaria Ocean 40 CC Forked River
With the plentiful bounty of granite ledges and boulders within a keels distance under the surface I believe a full keel would certainly help distribute the impact load. The best insurance is just don't hit anything. We were on vacation in the Caribbean and met a couple from Maine. Of course we ended up on the subject of sailing and unexpectedly I realized I brought up a bad subject. Long story short: They owned a sailboat and were sailing in Maine. He had to use the head and she took the helm. She ran into a rather solid rock ledge and tore a hole in the boat with the impact. The boat sank, they were rescued and the rest is another story. I always remember that story whenever I go to Maine.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,692
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
With the plentiful bounty of granite ledges and boulders within a keels distance under the surface I believe a full keel would certainly help distribute the impact load. The best insurance is just don't hit anything. We were on vacation in the Caribbean and met a couple from Maine. Of course we ended up on the subject of sailing and unexpectedly I realized I brought up a bad subject. Long story short: They owned a sailboat and were sailing in Maine. He had to use the head and she took the helm. She ran into a rather solid rock ledge and tore a hole in the boat with the impact. The boat sank, they were rescued and the rest is another story. I always remember that story whenever I go to Maine.
Perhaps it may help "distribute the blow" but IP keels are "encapsulated" and I know at least some were filled with concrete. When you crack it it can take MONTHS for it to fully dry out before a repair can be completed. We had an IP here in Falmouth two years ago that was on the hard the entire summer and was still weeping after two months. In the meantime about 6 or 7 external lead boats were repaired and re-launched. As mentioned best not to hit a ledge!!

If you have a Hinckley, Cape Dory or other full or cut-a-way keel with external lead then hit what you want and you won't damage much except for distorting the lead some.

I would ask how the OP plans to use the boat? If coastal cruising Maine I can think of many options in the 135k price range that would be very well suited to coastal Maine sailing. We see many IP's up here motoring when other boats are ghosting along at a decent rate in under 10 knots. If you don't mind motoring in light winds then this is not an issue.

Here in Maine we can certainly see high winds, and do, but generally they are light in the summer months. Tim R. & I just did a 100+nm delivery and saw only 4 +/- hours of actual sailing and the remainder was motor sailing, and this was on a boat that will do 6 knots in 10-11 knots of wind.

Our next door neighbors owned an IP that I used to sail on quite a bit and they put a lot of hours on the engine because it did not do so well in winds under about 12 knots. It reached well in higher winds, and tracked well, but pointing ability was rather lack luster. They kept a day sailor for getting their "sailing" fix. Nice boats in high winds but certainly there will be limited sailing performance in the light summer winds we often see here in Maine. If you're not into sailing performance then they are very well built boats. I would definitely try and avoid ledges and rocks though..

Other boats to consider in that quality & price range would be a Sabre 38 MKII, Sabre 362 Fin, Tartan 372 or 3500, J-37C or J-40, Passport 40, Caliber 35 or 38, Valliant 40 and others too..
 
Oct 6, 2008
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Hunter, Island Packet, Catalina, San Juan 26,38,22,23 Kettle Falls, Washington
We owned and lived aboard a 1990 IP 38 for 3 years. The boats sail better than many think. Proper tuning of the rig is quite important and understanding how to trim for smaller winds makes a large difference in performance. In a blow they are hard to beat.
The build quality is excellent and most items that are extras for many boats are standard equipment on the IP. I know for a fact that they will sail right through crab and lobster pots without any problem. The full keel and the stainless steel bar that spans from the end of the keel to the rudder keeps the pot lines from hanging up. Most boats fail that test.
There are many boats for the amount of money you are looking to spend but in my world there are few that I'd put ahead of my IP.
I would be happy to pass on any other info you might need off line.
Ray
 
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