Looking for a good CAT 30 easy user guide

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May 10, 2011
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Catalina 30 Vancouver
We are new owners/ sailors with an older Catalina 30. I've been going through the original manuals and I find that they are rather ... well, written for a mechanic or an engineer :confused: ... I am looking for something that is a little user friendly, not so technical. Something along the lines of '15 things to know about your boat', or 'The things you really need to know about your Catalina 30'. I'd even consider 'Catalina 30 owner's guide for Dummies', But we all know that only rather clever folks have these fine vessels, not dummies. (I really dislike the dummies series anyway). :)

If any of you folks have a guide that we should have on board, please suggest away.
thanks!!!
 
Jan 22, 2008
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Fed up w/ personal attacks I'm done with SBO
Hmmm, interesting idea. Never heard of such a thing.

I'm a boatbuilder from way back so as I refurbished my old C-30 I documented every system, modification and improvement and assembled it into an extensive owner's manual. Like you say, it's really technical and filled with schematics, drawings and other various minutiae.

Assuming what you're looking for does not exist, how about creating one yourself as you learn your 'new' boat? It could be a refreshing approach.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,101
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
There really isn't one, that's what the manual is for. Try the C30 Association website, www.catalina30.com, one of the few that's not a dot org.

Each of the systems could well have a quik-15 or top ten list of their own. You're welcome to review our C34 Tech wiki, which has a ton of systems information, since most all of the systems are identical.

http://www.c34.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
 

gpd955

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Feb 22, 2006
1,164
Catalina 310 Cape May, NJ
The search engine on this site ( and the mobile version of it, too) is an excellent resource as well. I would be happy to answer the questions that I am familiar with since my former boat was a C30 and I learned what I could through trial and error and also by using the heck out of SBO.com. The site is probably better than any book you'll find.

If you have an iPhone or droid platform, make sure you look for this site's app (try searching "sailboat discussion forums" ) It had been very handy when a question arises and you need a quick answer.
 

LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
1,009
Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
Richard Dickens put together a great collection called Tech Talk with Richard Dickens. We were lucky to have a copy of (at least part) this well written collection on our boat when we purchased it....in a loose leaf notebook. They are old pages, and tattered, but such good common sense and easy to understand projects and discussions. Does anyone else know about this or have a copy as we do? I would think it is somewaht close to what you are seeking. So, for what it's worth, check out this link:

http://www.catalina30.com/Publications/ttcoll.htm
 
Aug 25, 2010
62
Catalina 30 Seabrook, TX
Congrats on the purchase of your new boat. The Tech Talk collection by Richard Dickens is a reporduced copy of years of news letters with everything you need to know. I just received mine and really appreciated the information it provides. Also, just keep checking sailing sites, you'll learn more than you need to know. Get out and enjoy your Cat. 30.
 

LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
1,009
Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
Practice is all you can do......

Lorrieanne, the truth is you just need to gather your own experience...and learn from that. We all do stupid things and suffer immediately, then laugh for years. I have told this story already on this site, but it is worth repeating:
We bought our boat and found it to be really difficult in reverse. .. So we decided to be mature adults and take it out to the middle of the marina and practice backing up and everything else we wanted to try..... I should add that difficult in reverse also included getting out of our slip, so everyone at that yacht club/and in those nearby slips realized pretty quickly that we could be good for some entertainment. As we were exiting our slip one of those first days, we saw multiple people with lawn chairs hiking down toward the channel in the marina and at some point realized they were getting set for the show.......US!! It was just one of those things we had to live through, amongst many others, and we are still sailing and actually command our boat very well these days.... but we have history and never forget it... we are humble but much more educated and realize there is no easy way to gain experience......... it takes time and trials. Just last week we were getting our butts kicked as we headed back into the wind........we brought in our headsail, calmed our nerves and had a fabulous day, because we realized that, on that day, we did not want to fight conditions, we wanted a nice sail..............

Crew for friends, sail in as many different situations as you can, it will come. And you will have so many laughs and memories along the way...... enjoy being C30 owners..... It is so addictive.... we get nothing done at our house, it is all about sailing for us......good or bad, that's it!
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,101
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Caution

Dick wrote a tremendous amount of material for the C30 over the years, I've read each one since 1987!!!

Please be aware of two things that I recall being questionable: electrical systems (a lot of too old information and some plain wrong) and use of the decompression lever on the M25 diesel (our approach is to assure quick and reliable starts by designing, installing and maintaining solid electrical systems). I don't know if there's any connection between the two...

The rest of his information, specific to the C30 is really, really good, and valuable to have.

For additional system information, please use the link I provided above. Also, within that link is one to "Critical Upgrades" which, mostly, apply to boat and engine related issues that are applicable on your boat, too (assuming you have an M25 engine).

Oh, and practice, practice, practice...you'll find it isn't work once your;re :eek:n the boat.":)
 
May 10, 2011
7
Catalina 30 Vancouver
Hmmm, interesting idea. Never heard of such a thing.

I'm a boatbuilder from way back so as I refurbished my old C-30 I documented every system, modification and improvement and assembled it into an extensive owner's manual. Like you say, it's really technical and filled with schematics, drawings and other various minutiae.

Assuming what you're looking for does not exist, how about creating one yourself as you learn your 'new' boat? It could be a refreshing approach.
Well, now there's a marketable idea!!! And doesn't hurt that I am a writer and a teacher ... so I have a idea or two about these things! But what a learning curve with the boat. Daunting, but exciting. Thanks. I will be calling upon the expertise of the forum for sure. (some of my questions may be rather obvious ... but please bear with me.)
cheers.
 
Jan 22, 2008
880
Fed up w/ personal attacks I'm done with SBO
Don't worry about the obvious questions. They often serve to remind us of things we take for granted.
 
Jan 6, 2010
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Lorrieanne,

Congrats on being a new owner. You are correct about the exist. manuals maybe being too tecky for someone without prior experience, but this becomes easier as you become more acquainted with what you are reading. The guys have posted alot of helpful ideas and will be of great value as you will be posting many questions.

To become an all-round boater you must possess:
boat handling skills, electro/mechanical knowhow, emergency skills, and safety. This being your NEW boat, having a hands-on aptitude is most valuable. This site & your local boating community is a treasure trove for your use.

Best to begin by reading & having someone of knowledge explain it as you go. If you are the type that does not learn the fix-it skills, you will need to depend on others and this can become costly over time. The marine service industry charges are high, with alot of self professed “PRO’s” who may not be.

Think of your learning curve as going back to school. Grab the challenge by the horns and run with it. The better your all-round knowledge the better a boat owner you become. Confidence will be the most rewarding part. Do not be shy about asking questions on this site, as that's why we are here.

Good Luck,
CR
 

DanM

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Mar 28, 2011
155
Catalina 30 Galveston Bay
Lorraine,

There is an active Yahoo group for the c30 that has a lot of discussion on C30 issues as well as this forum and I've found both to be very helpful to new owners and very tolerant of questions even if you think they are too "newbie" to ask. Believe me, we were all there at one time, none of us were born knowing how to do this stuff! I think it's great that this is such a popular boat that you almost never have to reinvent the wheel; someone probably has had your problem before you and is happy to share a solution with you. The Tech Talk binder (which I think is available on the IC30A website?) is a collection of owner articles written over the years and compiled into one binder. I found it to be quite a help to get started when I first bought the boat, but if you join the IC30A and start getting the quarterly magazine you'll be getting the articles that way as well. The Tech Talk binder will provide you with all the older articles.

I grew up on power boats in the PNW so moving to sail on the Gulf Coast was a huge learning experience for me. Once thing that has served me well was building a "Big Blue Binder" (you could really use any color you like!) of systems on the boat and trying to break the boat down into individual pieces that are more easily understood.

I've rewired a lot of my boat so I have a custom electrical schematic now and have collected owners manuals for all the equipment on the boat which makes it easier to trouble shoot problems as they come up. The C30 systems are very well known, don't be afraid to ask questions and although I have only talked to them once myself, I understand the factory is helpful as well.

One of the first projects I did when I bought my boat was to replace all the water lines on the boat (the original ones were so nasty that the water smelled and they just looked scary). This was an easy project from a tools and equipment point of view and it also required me to crawl into every corner of the boat and see what was there, turned out to be a good way to get to know the boat.

The other bit of advice I got from one of my sailing mentors is to use the heck out of the boat. Anchor out for afternoon and see what works and what doesn't, what would make your life at anchor more pleasant. Then anchor out for the night near home. Then anchor out for the night a days sail away from home. Cook dinner in the oven and on the stove. Try to read your book or watch your movie (whatever your "thing" is) and see how the lighting and power works out for you. That has been a great tip for me and it's made me realize that I like having plenty of electricity at anchor, I like having my XM radio and good lighting to read by and I like having an easy working oven and stove to cook with. Cabin fans are important in my part of the country and solid ground tackle has meant a good nights sleep for me, but I wouldn't have known it if I hadn't used the heck out of the boat over the last few years. I love knowing that we can decide to spend the night on the boat now and in 30 minutes be motoring out of the slip and the boat is all set up for it.

The other thing that was money well spent was hiring a "captain" when I first bought the boat. I'd never owned a boat with a rudder and keel before so I hired a guy to spend a day with me. I would estimate that I learned in that day what I might have learned in my first year had I tried to figure it out myself. Picking the right "captain" is critical though, I knew I would likely single hand a lot so I found a guy who had done a lot of single handed sailing himself and I learned much from him. At no small cost for sure (I think it was $55/hour back then!).

Knowing the rules of the road, some first aid, man overboard procedures, navigation, VHF procedures and having a seaworth boat are the basics before we load our trusting friends and family on board as well I think.

One of my favorite quote in my industry... Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect.

I hope I haven't come off as preachy or too much of a safety nerd, but it's just such a neat hobby if you approach it as a learning process and know your limitations and push your boundries a bit and expose it to other people along the way. Gosh, I wish I would have been taken sailing as a kid!

How to get up to speed quickly though? A real live (pay by the hour!) mentor was one of the best things I've ever done.

Good luck, and let us know how it's going for you!

DanM.
 
Jan 22, 2008
880
Fed up w/ personal attacks I'm done with SBO
Dan,
Thought that was you and post #12 pretty much confirms it. A belated welcome.
 
Feb 26, 2008
603
Catalina 30 Marathon, FL
Lorrieanne,
Also don't forget Google is your friend. If you're missing a manual for a particular part or system google the manufacturer and model noumber. If that doesn't turn up a manual add "PDF" to your search.

You can do the same for different jobs. Google "mount a transducer" and you'll find all kinds of online articles.

Also don't be afraid to email the folks at Catalina. When we bought our first boat (a Catalina 22) a few years back we were missing a manual for the mast raising system. I emailed Catalina and they sent me a PDF of the manual. They've been great to deal with and that put Catalina at the top of the list when we were looking for a bigger boat.

Oh, and congrats on your new boat!

Jim
 
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