C22 Handbook around Dallas

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yzfr1

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I just bought a Catalina 22. The previous owner had taken many things apart. I am putting it back together now. I heard of the C22 handbook that would help. Catalina Direct is supposed to have the handbook. I called and they said they are in the process of putting them into pdf format. CD told me to find someone that had one and make copies.

Anyone have a handbook around Dallas, TX I could make copies of?
 
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I'll look and see if I still have mine. Honestly, I don't remember it being very helpful though, that's why I tossed it on a shelf in my workshop, somewhere. I'm out at Grapevine and will let you know if I find a copy.
 
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shipwreck66 said:
I'll look and see if I still have mine. Honestly, I don't remember it being very helpful though, that's why I tossed it on a shelf in my workshop, somewhere. I'm out at Grapevine and will let you know if I find a copy.
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I wasn't sure what info it had in it. I am new to sailing and new to my Catalina 22. If you find it let me know. I would appreciate it.

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Stu Jackson

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Have you tried the C22 Association website? They may have an on line manual.
 
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Stu Jackson said:
Have you tried the C22 Association website? They may have an on line manual.
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They have a manual and I have that. It is not the same as the handbook. The handbook from what I understand is several hundred pages. I am not sure how useful it will be though. Just want to take look at so I can see how much it might help a newbie like me.
 
Bilbo

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yzfr1 said:
They have a manual and I have that. It is not the same as the handbook. The handbook from what I understand is several hundred pages. I am not sure how useful it will be though. Just want to take look at so I can see how much it might help a newbie like me.
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The handbook is about $10 from CD. IT is still advertised on their site with no mention of PDF format. Primarily it is a hard copy of what's already on the CD site which is primarily a catalog of parts that they sell at CD.

http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=3&ParentCat=5

There is also a "Tech Support CD ROM" from the Catalina 22 national association which is being sold to it's members. It includes information from various sources on how to do maintenance, repairs, and various modifications. Much of this sort of info is also available online through various sources such as the CD forums.
 
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I tried ordering it off of the website at CD. They called me back and told me it is not in print but they are still leaving it on there so when they get it switched over they will know who wants it.

I did order the Tech Support CD Rom from C22NSA. I have not received it yet.
 
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Bilbo said:
Hmmm----what kind of things were taken apart?
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Well, the standard rigging, running rigging, wiring, cabin bulkhead and a few more things.

I am newbie. I have sailed before but never had to rig it like this.
 
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Maybe someone can answer a question or two about rigging here, which is kind of why I was looking for a handbook.. or maybe I should start a new thread (if I need to start a different thread I will.. just let me know)

Since the running and standard rigging were not pieced together and I am new, I am trying to find out what might be missing.

One thing I think I need, but cannot tell, is the connection to the halyards and sails. Do I need a shackle like a headboard or D shackle to connected to the mainsail to the main halyard? The main halyard is all line (rope).

Also, for the head sail, I have a locking snapshackle for the jib halyard but do not have anything to connect the head sail, tack, to the bow chainplate. Is that also a D Shackle? I have seen a snapshackle on catalina direct for this but it is expensive.

Thanks everyone
 
Bilbo

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Aug 29, 2005
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Keep in mind that some questions /answers may have a lot to do with the year of the boat's manufacture. These don't matter.
One thing I think I need, but cannot tell, is the connection to the halyards and sails. Do I need a shackle like a headboard or D shackle to connected to the mainsail to the main halyard? The main halyard is all line (rope).
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Not "absolutely necessary" but it would be good to have one.
I have a locking snapshackle for the jib halyard but do not have anything to connect the head sail, tack, to the bow chainplate. Is that also a D Shackle?
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On my boat something like this is on the bow:
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=384&ParentCat=114

and the halyards both have these:
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1153&ParentCat=114 But similar items are available from this site as well. So one can shop around. I realize that these are expensive but they really work nicely.
 
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Thanks Bilbo.

I went to West Marine yesterday and picked up a few shackles. One is a D Shackle that I was told would work for connecting the tack of the head sail to the bow. For the main halyard, I got a Shackle with 1/4" Captive Pin that you listed in your second link.

The D Shackle was actually more expensive than the one with the captivate pin. I don't know how much strength they might actually need so I bought one that I am sure could stand a good force.

I still would like to know what the standard items that were shipped with these types of boats. I know there are always upgrades but to see what the minimum is would be nice so I can compare them.
 
Bilbo

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I suspect that the CD Snapshackle is an example of standard equip. I think that this probably has changed through the years for some reasons. But, it's a good choice because 1) Won't fall overboard unless it comes loose. 2) Can be opened and closed with one hand pretty much.
Many people would only "upgrade" to either roller-furling or if the hardware gets lost.

The D shackle w/captive pin is good on the halyards so that it is secured to the halyard at all times for the life of the halyard line. When My boat is at dock, the forestay Halyard line is fastened to the snapshackle and tight at the cleat. The mast that I have has internal halyards and my Main Halyard is fastened by the D shackle to the halyard line between the deck organizer and the mast bottom halyard pulley. When this line is tight at the main cleat, it's not banging against the mast in the wind.

For a Forestay Downhaul I have a light line fastened to the Forestay D shackle at the top of the foresail. This line goes to a block next to that snapshackle. If I want that fore sail lowered, I release that halyard and use the downhaul. If not, the foresail can climb the forestay in a breeze and I'd have to go out there to pull it down to the deck.
 
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Bilbo said:
I suspect that the CD Snapshackle is an example of standard equip. I think that this probably has changed through the years for some reasons. But, it's a good choice because 1) Won't fall overboard unless it comes loose. 2) Can be opened and closed with one hand pretty much.
Many people would only "upgrade" to either roller-furling or if the hardware gets lost.

The D shackle w/captive pin is good on the halyards so that it is secured to the halyard at all times for the life of the halyard line. When My boat is at dock, the forestay Halyard line is fastened to the snapshackle and tight at the cleat. The mast that I have has internal halyards and my Main Halyard is fastened by the D shackle to the halyard line between the deck organizer and the mast bottom halyard pulley. When this line is tight at the main cleat, it's not banging against the mast in the wind.

For a Forestay Downhaul I have a light line fastened to the Forestay D shackle at the top of the foresail. This line goes to a block next to that snapshackle. If I want that fore sail lowered, I release that halyard and use the downhaul. If not, the foresail can climb the forestay in a breeze and I'd have to go out there to pull it down to the deck.
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Thanks again Bilbo.

This is really good information. I have been looking in many places for it.

What do you use for your mainsail outhaul? Is yours an internal outhaul? Or do you have the kit listed on CD?
 
Stu Jackson

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For a Forestay Downhaul I have a light line fastened to the Forestay D shackle at the top of the foresail.

A downhaul is a great idea, and I used them on our C22 and C25. I suggest you reconsider attaching it at the head of the sail, but rather get a simple snap shackle to attach to the first or second sail hank below the head of the sail. The reason is that if attached at the top the top hank could get screwed out of position and bind on the forestay. And it's a "jib downhaul" since the forestay stays there...:):):)
 
Bilbo

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Aha...Thanks Stu. it's attached to the D shackle and I"m sure that's attached to the jib halyard and not the forestay. Although, I've never had a bind as you're suggesting, I will consider.


What do you use for your mainsail outhaul? Is yours an internal outhaul? Or do you have the kit listed on CD?
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I have a simple attachment right now. Adding an effective outhaul system is a later project.
 
Ken

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Fleet help

Take a look at the C22 National page, you should be able to find a fleet close to you. Any fleet member would be more than happy to drop by help you step the mast and sort the lines.

If by chance your boat was raced it most likely has a few more lines than a day sailed boat. Lots of racers tie the halyards on (saving weight mate) Or you might have bought a boat the PO wanted every bit he could get, again more lines than most.....
 
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Ken said:
Take a look at the C22 National page, you should be able to find a fleet close to you. Any fleet member would be more than happy to drop by help you step the mast and sort the lines.

If by chance your boat was raced it most likely has a few more lines than a day sailed boat. Lots of racers tie the halyards on (saving weight mate) Or you might have bought a boat the PO wanted every bit he could get, again more lines than most.....
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I tried contacting the local sailing club at my Marina. No answers there. I was going to do as you suggested, but the nearest fleet is not on the lake with boat and I am not for asking a lot of favors if I can do it myself. Guess that is just how I am. I will try on my own first before I ask for help.

I think I got most of the standard rigging sorted out now. I will be trying to step the mast today or tomorrow. It hopefully goes ok. If not, I will definitely take your advice and ask a fleet for some help.
 
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