The Clock Is Ticking

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RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
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Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Not a rwn at all. I saw in 2006 that the new congress was failing to correct Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (meltdown 'triggers') and continued to make it profitable for the banking industry to continue issuing junk loans. I simply moved ALL my investments 'offshore' and saved my ass so that I could - 'keep sailing'.

The price of gold has increase 300+% since 2006 while the DJIA has dropped ~40%
You? hows your 401k's doing these days? :-O
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Be cautious about the future

After working what seems a lifetime and finally getting financially comfortable, it's easy to start thinking about how life could be on the "outside" (i.e., retirement). A few bad days and one can start thinking about something like "Take this job and shove it!". Guess after reading the above posts which mentions a lot of the positive aspects of making the big leap, perhaps one could look at some of the reasons to be cautious.

1. Quicken: Great idea and this was mentioned a couple times and I'd give it a two-thumbs-up. Find out what your cash flows are, where it comes from and where it goes. It's absolutely necessary to develop a baseline to work from.

2. Medical expenses: This can be a real wild card but knowing what your health, and your partners health, is like you can make some judgements. Factor your genes in. This can all change with a simple slip on the ice, or wet deck -> pulled shoulder ligiment or broken hip bone can instantly alter the equation.

3. Dollar buying power: Since WWII it has been pretty good but this will probably change. The Government has been spending big-time in the past couple years. I'm no economist but if someone can show me how one can spend hundreds of billions of dollars and not have a significant impact the value I'd like to hear about it. The worst part is Congress has more spending plans in the works - read Sen. Tom Colburn's speech: http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=31862514825&topic=7179

4. More on Dollar: The US balance of payments has been out of balance for years and we're at the end of the rope. This is turning into an "economic war" and countries like India, and especially China, don't want to change their currency values. Americans are simply going to have to be able to produce something that other countries will buy. Read: "Lower income" and lower standard of living.


One way of producing better is via education of the existing and future workforce, however, our nations schools are struggling with the future part and have been for years. It's unlikely they're going to make any kind of significant breakthrough in the next year or two. Read this article on that topic: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/10/29/raghuram.rajan/index.html?iref=obinsite

5. Food and water shortage: This is already happening and will likely become exponentially worse as world population increases. We aren't talking centuries, we're talking years! Russia, a major wheat producer, stopped exporting wheat this year (or is it next?). Food prices are going to increase because of supply and demand.

So now what? Declining value of the dollar? Significantly lower standard of living? Higher medical expenses? More expensive food?

My guess is the future of America is going to look a heck of a lot like the world average.

Not to throw cold water on the idea, but factor these changes into the budget for the next 40 years and give a lot of serious thought before pulling the plug. This is a significant change in a persons life. (That's why you're asking the question for input)
 
Sep 25, 2008
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Oday 25 Gibraltar
Enjoy each day, no matter what you're doing.
If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans.
My wife passed away two years to day after retiring and two and a half months after I retired.
Don't wish your life away waiting for what you're going to do.
Each minute is a blessing.

Rich
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Rich - I agree

Looks like you got your post up while I was writing mine:

Not a rwn at all. I saw in 2006 that the new congress was failing to correct Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (meltdown 'triggers') and continued to make it profitable for the banking industry to continue issuing junk loans.

The price of gold has increase 300+% since 2006 while the DJIA has dropped ~40%
You? hows your 401k's doing these days? :-O
We put a lot of our assets into AAPL. Don't know what it's done but it's been good.

I'd also agree with RBone - one has to strike a balance. Retiring isn't all about kicking back, you still have to work - and a lot of that is managing your assets and minimizing expenses.



This post was written on a MacBook with an iPhone beside it.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Re: Rich - I agree

We finished refitting Bietzpadlin in 1999 and splashed her in August. The world was beautiful. In September Nancy was diagnosed with stage 1 breast cancer. we perpared the boat for winter storage. By the next May we launched again and Nancy didn't have the strength to step up onto the boat. She got over that and we enjoyed a few years of good sailing. In 2009 my right hip got too bad to ignore at the same time my back went bad along with the economy. I got the hip and back repaired and my insurance covered all of the cost. My recovery put a limit on my mobility and on my ability to work. But social security kept us from going broke. There will be events that put a crimp in your plans and you just have to be able to adjust. I am recovered but the economy hasn't yet, that will happen too.
Our investments lost nearly 50 percent wityh the initial fall and have recovered substantially. There is no where near enough value there for me to think of not working for several more years if I intend to maintain our lifestyle.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Re: Rich - I agree

I bought 'real long' on AAPL in ~1994-5 @ $9-16/ saw it split several times .... sold it almost all of it @ $225 when I thought it became 'too expensive' per share. Everyone back then was super-avoiding AAPL. I absolutely LOVE AAPL, what a freakin' ... RIDE !!!!!

If you carefully plan it well & become deeply involved in your own asset management, you wont have to 'work' when you need to 'kick back' and retire. Of course, nothing beats 'luck'.

I dont see the economy recovering for many years, this looks like the 30s & 70s all over again. I hope Im wrong.
 

jimmyb

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Feb 12, 2010
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Precison 165 NA
Diagnosed with rare disorder at age 7. Was told I would never lead a regular life due to chronic kidney, heart and circulatory disease among other complications. Read somewhere my disease ends terminally at average age 41. Im now 47. I never lived for a career and have quit more jobs than I can remember right now. I ALWAYS made time for family and fun, even if it meant I had to find another job. Life IS short and the lucky ones like myself realize it and do something about it before its too late. You can always go back to work but when your time is up there will be no more sailing. Good luck to you and remember variety is the spice of life my friend. Go sailing, hike a mountain trail, go camping with friends, snorkel in the carribean, spend a week a Disney world. What ever lifts your soul.

God Bless, jimmyb
 
Oct 2, 2006
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Jboat J24 commack
At 54 with a high stress blue/white collar job i can tell you its

1.We cause are own stress in how we deal with reality as you can only do what you can do
2.Genetic good fortune
3.You can piss on the good Genetics if you chose

I know way to may people from all stations of life that have had heart attacks with the biggest factor Genetic good/bad fortune
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,223
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
............"You can always go back to work but when your time is up there will be no more sailing......"
Well said, Jimmyb! That's it in a nutshell....
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
One should have two careers"

A psychology professor once said "One should have two careers." I don't remember all the details as that was a long time ago, and psychology wasn't my major (or anywhere near it), and I don't think it was exam material.... but at least part of the reasoning was that people are living longer than they used to. Another part *may* be something connected with burnout.

Without a doubt this past year has given me every reason to quit my rat race job of over 25+ years and go sailing...or at least do something else..... however I would like hear about how and why it was time for you to cut loose and go sailing or do whatever floats your boat.
Some suggestions might be, if you're experiencing burnout in the current job, maybe it would be a good time to try planning an escape route toward doing something else, either in the current firm, or for another firm, or maybe even start your own business.

I've always had a few business-related endeavors going on at the same time and that tended to keep me pretty busy after work. Everything was more or less related to past training and experiences so it wasn't like it required a large amount of learning, but did require some. If one starts while currently gainfully employed it might make it easier.

When there is sufficient income and security from the after-hours activity then that could help with the "pulling the plug" decision.

There is something else going on in America, partly due to "free trade" and other factors, and the end result is we're going to have to adjust to not being the big king of the mountain in the standard of living world. The link below is about a concept called the great reset that someone wrote a book about. I don't agree with everything in it (I wouldn't do without a dishwasher or microwave for example) but I do agree with the basic concept:

The great "reset": http://www.minyanville.com/investin...43?camp=syndication&medium=portals&from=yahoo

This is one of THE major decisions in a persons life and it helps to give it a lot of thought. The point might be to trust your own instincts and make sure you're comfortable with them.

I'd like to make one more comment about AAPL. Around ten years ago I went to a financial consultant with Edward Jones and I wanted to buy Apple. He, on the other hand, wanted to "diversify" with a few large companies and mutual funds. I was very frustrated at the time and my wife was totally enamored with his ideas and invested "her" money the way he suggested. Some 7 or 8 years later, having basically gone almost nowhere with my portfolio I dumped both "his" stocks and him and poured everything into AAPL. Needless to say it's been wonderful. Had I done it back then, it was around $20 and today it's around $300, I'd be close to being on easy street.

The professional investor would probably have agreed with the Edward Jones guy but that just wasn't my lifestyle. Different strokes for different folks.

Keep asking questions and give it some good thought. Every tick of the clock and you loose time you'll never get back. In the end you'll rue not the things you did, but the ones you didn't do!
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Re: One should have two careers"

Some of the water-men on the Chesapeake Bay are learning to be Eco-tourist guides. As the fishery is starting to fail these men need to develope a new way to make a living. Cleaning up their work boats and getting their license for carrying passengers for hire and sometimes renting a room or two as a bed and breakfast. Their guests are sometimes overnighters and sometimes only day passengers.
There are many ways to earn a living.
During the economic down turn 30 years ago men with 30 years at the same company were losing their jobs. The question that was asked of them was,"If you could do anything in the world to make a living , what would it be?" The next questions were, "Are you qualified?" "What will you need to do to get qualified?" And then, "This is your opportunity".
Plan your escape like a prisoner serving life without parole. Not just how you escape but how you stay free.
 

Pops

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Apr 11, 2004
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I have no back up plan. I just decided that if I didn't sail away now (I am one week into a open ended cruise) I might not ever do it. I will be 60 in January and wanted to leave while my body still kind of works. I have several advantages that most people do not; I am not married, I have no children, my mother is set and surrounded by my siblings who thrive on seeing that she lacks nothing in the way of support (She has more than enough money). She was just operated on for breast cancer and was given the A-OK, and at 89 might out live me. I am in Sneads Ferry NC tonight and will head further south tomorrow. Will the boat break down tomorrow? Will I fall overboard? Who knows. I have taken every precaution I know and will continue to do so. If the fit hits the shan I can hitchhike back to my last home town and walk into any number of places and get a job and can always find a place to lay my head. If you want to go, go!
Merry Prankster (drinking Mount Gay and Coke) on the ICW
 

Tom J

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Sep 30, 2008
2,325
Catalina 310 Quincy, MA
Like John and Mark Twain said, it's not what you do that you'll regret, it's the things that you don't do. I retired at the ripe young age of 55, and since I had always owned boats, I headed to the local marina to look for part-time work. Ended up being dockmaster for 2 summers. Then we sold our summer home in Massachusetts and moved to Florida full-time. Bought our 31' Catalina in Bradenton and sailed it to Englewood. We were able to sail year-round. Unbelievable!
Then, my wife said, "Let's sail her up to Massachusetts!" I said, "In a year or two?" And she said, "No. Now, while we are young enough to do it!"
Anyway, we made the trip up and down the coast three times, and are settling into our condo on Maui while the boat waits out the winter in Quincy, Mass. In the meantime, I've been working as crew/mechanic on a 65' commercial boat out of Florida. We've been through most of the western Carribean and have a trip to Honduras pending.
So, yeah, maybe it is because we're all living longer, and have the time to start a second career. Or maybe we just get lucky. Whatever, when the opportunity to do something you love comes along, grab it, and just do it! For me, it's being on or near the water. How about you?
 
Jan 1, 2006
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Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
Fair winds.
I wish you all the best - weather, adventure, new friends, life beyond what most experience.
I'm 54 and and wonder if I can ever see adventure again but sometimes I'm inspired by others who take the plunge.
Please stop poisoning that Mount Gay with Coke. Its so wrong.
 

John

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Jun 3, 2006
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Catalina 36mkII Alameda CA
I worked 30+ years in construction and lost more jobs than I can count as a result of my congenital disease - UTKBMS Syndrome*. This disease seemed to get worse as I got older. Finally, at 62 I got sick of it after the last time I was laid off and retired on disability. (Note: In my last two or three years on the job, I was THE oldest carpenter on every job I worked; very few last that long; their bodies wear out.) I'd bought a cheap house in a somewhat rough neighborhood decades ago and have lived in it ever since, with the mortgage now paid off. I never buy anything on credit, which keeps costs waaay down.

When I retired, I did none of what is recommended - use a spread sheet to figure out my expenses and income. Hell, I don't even know how to use a spread sheet. I just continued living as I had before. But if that's your thing, go for it.

The main thing is to go by your instinct. That inner voice will tell you when it's time to hang it up.
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* - Unable To Keep Big Mouth Shut Syndrome
 

jimmyb

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Feb 12, 2010
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Precison 165 NA
Alot of very good thoughts being tossed about here in this thread. It is a great discussion on what is valued in life. Like ones sanity. If ones only pursuit is the almighty dollar and living the lifestyle than if you are not lucky you may miss the boat. Money is only a means to an end for us hear on this blue ball. And the biggest decissions we all have to make is how much crap can we deal with and how many material possesions and creature comforts do we REALLY need at the price of freedom.

I bought my grandmothers 2 bedroom house at the age of 25 and paid in cash. NEVER had a morgage. Did all the remodeling myself, came out beautiful. I have only owned 1 new car and paid cash for it. I have over 47 years had only one personal loan when I was about 20 yrs or so. Never paid a dollar of interest to a credit card company and have owned every toy that I have ever wanted from classic mustangs to dirt bikes to jet skis to camping traillers, nice guitars, all the trickest long range rifles and now sailboats and have done it all making an all time highest hourly wage of something like $15.65. None of these things are worth a damn if you dont have time to enjoy them.

Whats my point. Well I never in my life cared to, or offered myself the chance to live the lifestyle which would enslave me to a job. I dont have cable tv, dont want it. I dont have a $400 cell phone, dont need it. I fix my own vehicles. I have a pellet stove for heat. I also have not worked a weekend or holiday or overtime since 1991. My marrage of 21 years is intact (figure what that is worth in dollars and sense). Freedom is the only thing that I value that money can buy. Hell Id trade all the material items I have for a few more healthy days on the planet when my time comes or just to have my dog Indy around again. I guess its like sailboats in the end, its all a compromise. You be the judge, Im perfectly happy where IM at. :dance:

God Bless, jimmyb

Ps remember if you wait to retirement age to do the things you love now. you will more likely not be able to do most of them.
 

jimmyb

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Feb 12, 2010
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Precison 165 NA
Fair winds.
I wish you all the best - weather, adventure, new friends, life beyond what most experience.
I'm 54 and and wonder if I can ever see adventure again but sometimes I'm inspired by others who take the plunge.
Please stop poisoning that Mount Gay with Coke. Its so wrong.
Adventure is everywhere shemandr. Might be some right in your back yard. Go get some!

God Bless, jimmyb
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Looks like you got your post up while I was writing mine:



We put a lot of our assets into AAPL. Don't know what it's done but it's been good.

I'd also agree with RBone - one has to strike a balance. Retiring isn't all about kicking back, you still have to work - and a lot of that is managing your assets and minimizing expenses.



This post was written on a MacBook with an iPhone beside it.
I and (now) my swiss-gnome financial manager are expecting an immediate loss of 20% value in the $US and are looking/planning on another 20-30% depreciation to cover all the impending state bankruptcies/defaults, etc. etc. ... so I expect my saving/investments (if left in the USA) will be 50% lower in value due to the $US ... and the resultant inflation will so increase the cost of goods (now mostly imported) will catastrophically increase that will result in an economic double whammy .... 50% less of value saved and upwards of a 50% increase in the living costs (food, fuel, imported goods, etc.) .... , all as a worst case.

This happened many times before in the USA but the capitalist clock was always reset by a near total collapse followed by a quick recovery. Now that the country is rapidly leaning socialist the recovery will not be reset (crony-ism between Wall St. and the 'gummint', states defaulting, and a bond & T-bill market bubble about to 'pop'), I predict/surmise the 'recovery' will be very slow very long and very flat for a very long time --- all the massive foreign investment that propped up our economy for decades, like Elvis, "has left the building". I wouldn't want to be less than 50 years old or solely on SS and living in the USA when this $#!* hits the fan. Just like Greece, Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Italy .... the USA's *interest* on the national debt (now owned principally to 'foreigners') is approx. 30% GNP, will soon by 50% and possibly thereafter equal the entire GNP !!!! All our 'productive' industry is being forced to 'offshore' due to tax and regulation overload, a brain drain of our 'brightest' is starting to happen in earnest, most (80+%) of those who are engineers and scientists will be retiring in the next 10 years .... not a good picture for the future, huh?
 
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