wire to rope??????

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Sep 15, 2009
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S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
my mast has wire to rope haylards......and i am wondering if there is any advantage in this arrangement.........i will be re rigging my mast running rigging and wondered if i could just replace this with all rope or do i need to stay with the one that is original.....


regards

woody
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Wire to rope was before very low stretch rope was developed. Just use all very low stretch rope and you will be fine.
 
Oct 3, 2006
1,033
Hunter 29.5 Toms River
Also make sure to check sheaves for burrs / fitment of your new line. You might have to replace them.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,323
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
I replaced my old wire to rope equipment with "tapered" halyards because the existing masthead and paired sheaves limited the line diameter to about 1/4 inch. On my Catalina 27 I covered 80 feet of 3/16" Amsteel 12 with a 40 foot 5/16" Samson LS cover. I finished the shackle end with a "luggage tag" eye splice. Here's an example from Annapolis Performance Sailing www.apsltd.com ... but I made them myself, the cover splice(taper) and eye splice are fairly easy, instructions are on the Samson Website.



Cover Splice on 12 Strand

We add a durable polyester cover like Yale's cover-only or Samson Ice to high-strength, low-stretch Ultrex 12, Excel D12, Tech 12, Amsteel 12 or Vectrus 12 so that they can be used as halyards. Where the halyard is cleated, clutched, winched and handled, the cover protects the core from abrasion. The result is minimum weight aloft. You may even choose to cover only the "working area" of the halyard, leaving the bitter end uncovered so there's less tail to deal with when the sail's hoisted. Please specify your length requirements.
To ensure your specific rigging needs are communicated correctly, please call us at 800-729-9767 with your requirements.
APS Part Number: RIGCO12S
Rigging Charge: $28.00 each



12 Strand 'Luggage Tag' Splice

Applies to single braids (Vectrus 12, Ultrex 12 and AmSteel 12) or the uncovered cores of high tech double braids (Crystalyne, V2, Maxibraid Plus, D2 and Warp Speed). Basically, a large eye splice that attaches like a luggage tag to a suitcase handle. Use it to attach your halyard shackle for convenient replacement, or to securely attach a sheet directly to a sail's tack or clew, avoiding the weight of a shackle. Includes Whiplock™. This splice will consume two feet of line, so make sure your order your line long enough.
To ensure your specific rigging needs are communicated correctly, please call us at 800-729-9767 with your requirements.
APS Part Number: RIGEYE12S
Rigging Charge: $12.00 per splice
 
Nov 9, 2008
1,338
Pearson-O'Day 290 Portland Maine
Sta-Set has a 3/16" low stretch line that they tout as being great for all rope halyards. Tensile strength is 1200 lbs. On my 25 footer, I can't imagine the halyard is pulling more than 187 lbs, as I can hold it and keep my feet on the deck. 3/16 would be great as long as you don't mind sliced hands. So splicing to 7/16 might make sense. This is my plan anyway. And, at the risk of hijacking the discussion . . . Any problems using my jib halyard as a topping lift (swapped around) since I have a roller furler?
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,323
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Sta-Set has a 3/16" low stretch line that they tout as being great for all rope halyards. Tensile strength is 1200 lbs. On my 25 footer, I can't imagine the halyard is pulling more than 187 lbs, as I can hold it and keep my feet on the deck. 3/16 would be great as long as you don't mind sliced hands. So splicing to 7/16 might make sense. This is my plan anyway. And, at the risk of hijacking the discussion . . . Any problems using my jib halyard as a topping lift (swapped around) since I have a roller furler?
I don't see any problem uing it as a topping lift... however.. for your halyard I suggest you follow my example in the previous post. A cover, or taper, splice is not tying one rope to another. You replace the larger, less expensive rope's core with the high tech, super strong line. 7/16 is HUGE for a 25 foot boat... go 3/16 core with 5/16 cover.
 
Nov 9, 2008
1,338
Pearson-O'Day 290 Portland Maine
So, I should buy, say, 70 feet of 3/16" and 35 feet of 5/16, remove the core of the 5/16 and milk the cover over the 3/16?
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,323
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
So, I should buy, say, 70 feet of 3/16" and 35 feet of 5/16, remove the core of the 5/16 and milk the cover over the 3/16?
Exactly.... and you bury the end of the cover into the core to create the "taper" It is also called a "cover splice"... Or.....you can strip the cover off the 5/16 that isn't handled, exposing the 3/16 core and use the same splice. http://www.samsonrope.com/site_files/DB_C2_StripCover.pdf Sta-set wouldn't be good for the cover strip method because the core is not UV and abrasion resistant.

Sounds to me like you just want to put a cover on the 3/16 sta-set for handling convenience. I have never tried the cover splice into a double braid core....though I'm sure it can be done.

Good luck.
 
Nov 9, 2008
1,338
Pearson-O'Day 290 Portland Maine
Joe,

I'm looking to replace my halyard economically. That word doesn't normally exist in the same paragraph as "sailing", I know. But, I'm a designer by trade and temperament and a jack-of-all-trades so I don't mind putting sweat equity or imagination into any of my projects. Whatever I do, though, I want it to be right (to some), durable and workable. My biggest problem at present it this horrible kink in the jib halyard that grabs everything else. Also, the PO had a 5/16 line tied to a 1 foot section that was spliced to the cable using a ring to join them. Very flunky. I might go out one or two more times before the long cold sleep on the hard so I probably have the winter to accomplish things, but its good to keep planning.
 
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