Manure... An interesting fact

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Jun 16, 2010
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Lancer 25 Newbergh
Manure... An interesting fact

In the 16th and 17th centuries, everything had to be transported by ship and it was also before the invention of commercial fertilizers, so large shipments of manure were quite common.
It was shipped dry, because in dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, but once water (at sea) hit it, not only did it become heavier, but the process of fermentation began again, of which a by product is methane gas of course. As the stuff was stored below decks in bundles you can see what could (and did) happen. Methane began to build up below decks and the first time someone came below at night with a lantern,BOOOOM!
Several ships were destroyed in this manner before it was determined just what was happening.
After that, the bundles of manure were always stamped with the instruction ' Stow high in transit ' on them, which meant for the sailors to stow it high enough off the lower decks so that any water that came into the hold would not touch this volatile cargo and start the production of methane gas.Thus evolved the term ' S.H.I.T (Stow High In Transit) which has come down
through the centuries and is in use to this very day.
You probably did not know the true history of this word.
Neither did I.
I had always thought it was a golf term.
 
Jun 16, 2010
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Lancer 25 Newbergh
I will believe almost any thing and I never would go up against the guy a who would contrive such a VERBOSE statement. However it sounded good
 
Sep 29, 2008
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Catalina 310 #185 Quantico
Ir was entertaining

Billbeard, you do get some credit for sharing it.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Re: Ir was entertaining

There was a great trade in guano from the islands in the pacific. That stuff was said to be so corrosive from the ammonia that it would would distroy cotton canvas sails in a matter of weeks of months.
 
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Only one thing wrong with that theory....

In the 16th and 17th centuries, it was the VERY rare (all but non-existent in fact) sailor or dock worker who could read. So marking cargo with any instruction would have been a waste of effort.

Btw...Thomas Crapper didn't invent the flush toilet either...which also shoots down the idea that the word "crap" came from his name. In fact, it was around quite a while before he was born.

But if you want a really FUN urban legend, this one is hard to beat:

The USS Constitution (Old Ironsides) as a combat vessel carried 48,600 gallons of fresh water for her crew of 475 officers and men. This was sufficient to last six months of sustained operations. She carried no evaporators. However, let it be noted that according to her log, the USS Constitution set sail from Boston in July 1798. She left with 475 officers and men, 48,600 gallons of fresh water, 7400 cannon shot, 11,600 pounds black powder and 79,400 gallons of rum. Her mission: To destroy and harass English shipping.

Making Jamaica on 6 October, she took on 826 pounds of flour and 68,300 gallons of rum.

Then she headed
for the Azores, arriving on 12 November. She Provisioned with 550 pounds of beef and 64,300 gallons of Portuguese wine. On 18 November she set sail for England.

In the ensuing days, she defeated five British men-of-war and captured 12 English merchantmen, salvaging only the rum. By 26 January, her powder and shot were exhausted. Unarmed, she made a night raid up the Firth of Clyde. Her landing party captured a whiskey distillery and transferred 40,000 gallons by dawn. Then she headed home.

The USS Constitution arrived in Boston on February, 1799 with no cannon shot, no food, no powder, no rum, no wine, no whiskey and 38,000 gallons of stagnant water.
 

Ross

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Peggie Hall-HeadMistress;7 Btw...Thomas Crapper didn't invent the flush toilet either...which also shoots down the idea that the word "crap" came from his name. In fact said:
Imagine if he had invented the French devise for beheading prisoners.
 
Sep 21, 2006
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-Hunter 35.5 Washington, NC
Re: Only one thing wrong with that theory....

That's a pretty good story. When did the US Navy stop allowing beer or spirits on ships, anybody know?
 
Sep 29, 2008
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Have no idea, but

they took the beer out of the vending machines in the barracks around 1978-1980. Pity
 

Ross

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Re: Have no idea, but

When did they put it in vending machines? I served from 1957 to 1963 in the AF and beer was to be had at the club or the PX.
 

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Pearson 365 Ketch Holiday Hill Marina, Mayo, MD
When did the US Navy stop allowing beer or spirits on ships, anybody know?
General Order 99, effective 1 July 1914, ended the consumption of alcohol on US Navy ships, thanks to Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels. Beer is still onboard, at least on CVN's, and served on special occasions such as being at sea for 100 consecutive days. The Royal Navy managed to hang on to a rum ration until about 1971. I enjoyed a beer in the Chief's Mess onboard the West German destroyer Rommel when it was at Guantanamo Bay in 1980 or '81. Some European navies still do it right!
 
Jan 19, 2010
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Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
This one is probably false too but I like it...

It goes like this.

When the British navy would grant shore leave, the sailors would often go to a house of ill repute.... and sometimes get arrested. When the ship was to set out again the quarter master would have to bail out some of his crew. He would dock their pay and note the reason in the logs...

"For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge".

When ask why they had their pay docked... (I'll leave it to you to construct the acronym).

a bientot

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Jun 5, 2004
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Hunter 36 Newburyport, MA
Re: 1798 Cruise of the Constitution

I found Peggie's story about a 1798 cruise of the Constitution to attack British shipping (and territory) really funny.

However, such a cruise would have been an act of war against a country with whom we had signed a peace treaty in 1783, and with whom we would not declare war until 1812. Pres. John Adams' proclivities at the time were anti-French and pro-British.

Makes the story a bit suspect (but a great read).

(As does provisioning that only allocated the crew 100 gal/man for 6 months. My wife thinks me a bit of a water-Nazi on our cruises, but I'd never do that to her.)

Fair Winds,
Al - s/v Persephone
 

Ross

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(As does provisioning that only allocated the crew 100 gal/man for 6 months. My wife thinks me a bit of a water-Nazi on our cruises, but I'd never do that to her.)

Fair Winds,
Al - s/v Persephone
That's 2.2 quarts per day for drinking. The cook added water to the cooking process so there was enough water if it wasn't wasted.
Washing water came either as rain or sea water if they washed at all except before shore leave.
 
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