222 Rigging tension

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Nov 20, 2009
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Oday 222 Oneida Lake in Upstate NY
The 222 is working out pretty well for the old sailor - she has stood up in 30+ knots and brought us home safely. The shrouds seem to be always a bit too loose, especialy upon return to the dock. I'm reluctant to tighten them "too much" figuring a wee bit of slack is preferred over having them a too tight. The owners manual reads "...tighten the headstay, backstay, and upper shroud turnbuckles hand tight" and "tighten the lower shrouds just snug".

Just a little vague, so I ask is hand tight tighter than snug? Anybody use a loos guage and if so, what tension has worked well for you?

Thanks!
 
Sep 20, 2006
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Oday 20 Seneca Lake
i've wondered about that myself with my oday. what's the difference between hand tight and just snug?

this may work with brand new turnbuckles, but they tend to turn harder over time from dirt and dust etc that works work into the threads. my stays appear snug but will show some slack on the lee side in a breeze. i can deflect the stay slightly with my thumb and forefinger. is that tight enough?
 
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Jan 24, 2005
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Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
The 222 is working out pretty well for the old sailor - she has stood up in 30+ knots and brought us home safely. The shrouds seem to be always a bit too loose, especialy upon return to the dock. I'm reluctant to tighten them "too much" figuring a wee bit of slack is preferred over having them a too tight. The owners manual reads "...tighten the headstay, backstay, and upper shroud turnbuckles hand tight" and "tighten the lower shrouds just snug".

Just a little vague, so I ask is hand tight tighter than snug? Anybody use a loos guage and if so, what tension has worked well for you?

Thanks!
I would go along with the directions in the user's manual if you don't have a gauge. The Loos Gauge is kind of pricey in today's market. I've had mine for many years now and I think that I would hesitate to pay today's price for one, but the gauge is easy to use and gives you a choice of numbers that correspond to the thickness of your stays, which should be 1/8". I've been using number 10 for my upper stays, and a lesser number for my lower stays. My stays are different thicknesses. I think my lower stays and fore stay is 5/32". This is the way that the rigger set it up for me years ago after I had a new mast installed and I don't recommend that anyone ever do this. Stick with the 1/8" stay thickness all the way around or run the possibility of breaking your chain plates, or "L" brackets that hold the chain plates to the inside bulkhead. Been there, done that. Anyway it stands to reason that if you are using the same numbers on your Loose gauge for your stays, the mast has got to be straight and the tension has to be equal. The experts say that the lower stays need to be a little looser than the upper most stays. So to my mind, if you choose your numbers and stick with them, all the guess work is taken out of it.
Joe
 

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Dec 20, 2003
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Catalina 27 . St. Mary's Georgia
I use a 91 Loos gauge on my 25. I did the method from the manual and got a average of 12 -15 on my boat. I think every boat will be a little different but I much prefer to have a number instead of doing it snug and 1 more. That just makes me think I will have different tensions. I still have play around 15 so that is where I set it. I have my boat in the water all the time, so I have no idea how much it is rocking and rolling and what stays are getting more of a workout than others. It is nice to be able to throw the Loos gauge on during a walk around the boat and know it is all right. I also like to loosen my turnbuckles when raising or lowering the mast for trailering. No guess work when I set it back up.
 
Jan 24, 2005
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Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
joe: do you use the 90/91 series gauge or the more expensive pt series?
I've got the 91 Loos Gauge Model A. It's the el cheapo compared to their professional wire tension gauge. It works good enough for my needs. I wish I had the other one though because I have to stand there and hold it on the wire.
 
Aug 20, 2010
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ODay 222 South Lake Tahoe
I've got the 91 Loos Gauge Model A. It's the el cheapo compared to their professional wire tension gauge. It works good enough for my needs. I wish I had the other one though because I have to stand there and hold it on the wire.
Hi Joe,
so I did try the Loos gauge on my stays to see what I got:
Uppers stays that go to mast head: 20-22 on scale (corresponds to around 160-180 lbs) and lowers: 15 (corresponds to 180+ lbs).

I dropped the genny down to see forestay turnbuckle, but can't see anything with furling drum in the way. I'm sure my rigging guy took care of it so it shouldn't be a problem.

Did not measure backstay; probably have to have all pressure off of it (boom, mainsheet loose, etd).

Anyway, does the shroud numbers make sense to you? I have the rigging manual and it's vague at best. Hand tight according to who? LOL

Michelle

Thanks again for your help!
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Hi Joe,
so I did try the Loos gauge on my stays to see what I got:
Uppers stays that go to mast head: 20-22 on scale (corresponds to around 160-180 lbs) and lowers: 15 (corresponds to 180+ lbs).

I dropped the genny down to see forestay turnbuckle, but can't see anything with furling drum in the way. I'm sure my rigging guy took care of it so it shouldn't be a problem.

Did not measure backstay; probably have to have all pressure off of it (boom, mainsheet loose, etd).

Anyway, does the shroud numbers make sense to you? I have the rigging manual and it's vague at best. Hand tight according to who? LOL

Michelle

Thanks again for your help!
Hi Michelle!
I think that if your upper and lower side stays have the same number in relation to each other on each side, your mast should be straight. The lowers can be a little less, but have the same number. You're not going to get an equal number with your forestay if you could measure it, and your backstay on a fractional rig like ours. So you may get a slight bend in your mast which is OK because the sail is cut for it. (so it says in small print.) They also say that the leeward shrouds shouldn't slack unless the chainplates are aft of the mast. This has me scratching my head because it sounds like a bunch of mumbo jumbo to me. My owner's manual just says to get the forestay, backstay and upper stays hand tight and the lower stays should just be snug. They also tell you to sight up the mast to see if it's straight. The gauge gives you the advantage of knowing the tension that you have on the stays. I think that this is important because there is always the question of, how tight is hand tight? Is my "hand tight" equal to Hulk Hogan's "hand tight?" I think not.
A couple of weeks ago I let one of my friends in the club use my Loos Gauge to check his stays. He measured one of his stays with it and it was dangerously way off the scale too tight! It's a good thing he checked them. He could have lost his mast if one of those stays ever let go. He got his stays tuned with the gauge and he's all set.
So all I can say to you Michelle is, pick a number which is a happy medium for the thickness of your stays and try to make each like stay equal. My friend and fellow club member Wayne, is a real stickler for tuning the stays on his Seaward 22. He doesn't want his leeward stays to slack when he's sailing. His sloop is a fractional rig with a CDI Furler like mine, but he has another forestay that comes down from the mast head to a bracket on his bow that he installed himself, many years ago. He claims that it takes care of any bend in the mast and also provides an extra safety support for his mast in the event that his furler should ever part. As for me? I'm more interested in attaining the proper trolling speed for catching Striped Bass than I am for sailing performance. In fact now that I've reached "Geezerdom", I spend more time hanging out on my boat in the cove reading and cooking than I do at the helm sailing her. The guys in the club are starting to call me the "Sailing Gourmet." Who' da thunk it? :D
Joe
 
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