Spare bilge pump/Barlow winch

[Mitch]

Hello all. More questions as usual. I have an electric bilge pump and a hand operated one in the cockpit. I also have a Guzzler 500 under the V-berth that needs to be rebuilt. Was originally used to pump out the holding tank. I've seen pictures that look like a similar pump mounted to a wood board. Would this pump, if rebuilt, make a good spare portable emergency pump with about 10' of hose on each end?

Now a winch questions. It is a Barlow 16. I have asked this question before, checked the archives, been on other forums, and still cannot remove it. Everyone says it is either spring loaded or has a center nut. Here is a pic that shows a slot for a screwdriver. I cannot budge it. Think it is froze? Think an impact wrench would loosen it? As this is the only winch I have not cleaned, and is for my main sail, I want to make one last attempt to remove it safely for reuse before I rip it off and buy a new one.

Again,
Many, many thanks for all your pervious responses to my newbie questions.
Happy sailing all
Mitch

 

[rardiH36]

Mitch:

Here is a link to a Barlow 16 instruction sheet.

http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/winches/barlow16p.htm

Several thoughts. 1) Maybe the cap screw is reverse thread? = try clockwise to loosen? 2) The instruction sheet mentions an Allen head, whereas yours is slotted. At least the slot still looks good. If you haven't tried already, to get more leverage without damaging the slot, use a thick head/wide screw driver that fits into the slot tightly all the way across the screw head. Put a pair of large size standard pliers or channel locks around the screw driver handle, and squeeze the pliers tight. You can get a lot of torque by leveraging on the plier handle while bearing down hard with your weight. 3) Squirt with PB blaster for a few days just in case the screw has corroded a bit in its thread 4) Its been a while since I've had my Harken winches apart, but sometimes the winch mechanism turns with the set screw. I need a fitting which looks like the insert part of winch handle that has a hole in the middle to insert the screw driver.

Hope you can get it off as it looks like a still useful winch. Is there a rigging shop nearby? How would you be able to remove the winch without cutting out the fiberglass?

 

[Mitch]

Mitch:

Here is a link to a Barlow 16 instruction sheet.

http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/winches/barlow16p.htm

Several thoughts. 1) Maybe the cap screw is reverse thread? = try clockwise to loosen? 2) The instruction sheet mentions an Allen head, whereas yours is slotted. At least the slot still looks good. If you haven't tried already, to get more leverage without damaging the slot, use a thick head/wide screw driver that fits into the slot tightly all the way across the screw head. Put a pair of large size standard pliers or channel locks around the screw driver handle, and squeeze the pliers tight. You can get a lot of torque by leveraging on the plier handle while bearing down hard with your weight. 3) Squirt with PB blaster for a few days just in case the screw has corroded a bit in its thread 4) Its been a while since I've had my Harken winches apart, but sometimes the winch mechanism turns with the set screw. I need a fitting which looks like the insert part of winch handle that has a hole in the middle to insert the screw driver.

Hope you can get it off as it looks like a still useful winch. Is there a rigging shop nearby? How would you be able to remove the winch without cutting out the fiberglass?

Thanks for your reply. I'm afraid to use PB Blaster 'cause I don't know if there is any rubber or nylon inside. But you did give me an idea. As soon as its warm, I'll walk around and see if other siminlar older boats have one and ask the owners. Maybe it had an allen screw that the PO dropped over the side and had to replace it.

Thanks so much
Mitch

 

[rardiH36]

Winch Bolt Removal -- Better Info

Mitch:

After my above post, I recalled seeing some time ago a site in Australia that supports trying to keep Barient and Barlow winches alive and well. A quick Bing search found it. In particular, here's a cut-and-paste which supports my previous alternative 4):

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Most smaller BARLOW Standard winches and some BARIENT Standard winches require a screw to be removed from inside the main shaft in order to dismantle the winch. Those winches were originally supplied with a small plastic part that looked like a handle with a 5/16" [8mm] diameter hole through the centre of the star, through which you was able to insert an Allen key to unscrew the fastener, while at the same time stopping the main shaft from rotating.
If the original dismantling handle is lost, make your own by drilling a hole through one of your non lock-in winch handles.
You could also use a piece of 5/8" to 11/16" square material (plastic, wood, steel - anything) through which you can drill a hole in it, hold it with a shifting spanner, and unscrew the bolt inside the main shaft of your winch.
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Here's the url to the full text and the website:

http://www.huttonwinches.com/products/service

 

[RAD]

Try tapping the end of the screwdriver with a hammer while turning at the same time and if that doesn't budge it then definitely use an inpact screwdriver

 

[appleman]

I have one like it and that screw should come out. Do as RAD said.

 

[MrUnix]

Another picture tutorial:

http://home.earthlink.net/~ultratom/Winch/winch_maintenance_the_pictures_i.htm

 

[Joe]

When you do be the screw out of the winch, replace it with a hex head screw.