Hunter reneges on Freedom Boat Sale Promotion

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Nov 17, 2008
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Hunter 38 St. Petersburg
Have any other members of these forums experienced problems getting their Hunter Freedom Boat Sale payments?

We purchased our 2009 Hunter 38 through Massey Yacht Sales and Service. Took delivery in December, 2008, and have really been pleased with the boat as well as with Massey's service after the sale.

But we've had huge problems getting our Freedom Boat Sale checks from Hunter.

As part of our purchase contract, Hunter was supposed to send us monthly checks for 12 months to help cover loan payments, slip fees, fuel, and insurance. This promotion greatly influenced our decision to buy.

To date, we've received eight payments. The last was for August, 2009, which we received in mid-October.

We haven't received a payment since, and despite numerous e-mails, phone calls, and letters, first to Ted Norris, later to Greg Emerson, both with Hunter marketing, we have yet to receive any explanation as to why our payments have stopped. In December, 2009, we sent a letter to John Peterson, Hunter VP of Sales and Marketing, to ask for his assistance, but have yet to receive any response.

We know times are tough in today's economy, and Hunter may be hard-pressed to pay all their debts in a timely manner, but that doesn't excuse the lack of any reply whatsoever.

Our broker at Massey has asked Hunter for an explanation on our behalf but he has also been forestalled. I recently learned that he was also supposed to have been paid a $500 bonus for the sale under the same promotion, and although it's been well over a year since we made our purchase, he has yet to be paid.

It has now been 14 months since we took delivery of our 38. Hunter still owe us four more payments.

We have been happy with our boat, and would recommend Hunter to anyone considering a production boat, but would also caution anyone against purchasing under any Hunter sales promotion.

By this point, many of you must be wondering why we haven't retained legal counsel. We had been hoping for a resolution without involving attorneys, but there may be no alternative.
 
Jun 2, 2004
5,802
Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Guess one more letter might be in order. This one from your attorney. As you said, the very least they could do is acknowledge your situation. Just this one post could kill several sales. It never ceases to amaze me how little these large companies know about selling and service after the sale.
 
Aug 16, 2009
1,000
Hunter 1986 H31 California Yacht Marina, Chula Vista, CA
For Hunter it is probably a trade-off. A limited amount of bad publicity and loss of a few sales vs. admission they are in financial trouble [why else would they have offered such a huge and risky marketing incentive in the first place] and panic prospective purchasers and stockholders [assuming it is publically held].
 
Nov 17, 2008
49
Hunter 38 St. Petersburg
I am as amazed as anyone that they'd allow the situation to deteriorate to this degree, and our broker is as dumbfounded as us. Why a company like Hunter would be willing to risk ruining its reputation, even in these trying times, is beyond me.

Ed, you make a good point. There are a lot of prospective buyers who visit this forum on a regular basis. I don't want to hurt Hunter's sales, but anyone considering a Hunter needs to carefully weigh whether Hunter will actually fulfill promotional commitments made to secure a sale.

We never considered that they wouldn't, and we got bit.

So far as an admission that they are in financial trouble, I don't know that they are any worse off than their primary competitors. Catalina, Beneteau, as well as Hunter were all forced to lay off part of their labor force during the downturn.

We may not consider our boats to be luxuries, but this industry is a luxury segment that many consumers avoid during downturns. They go to boat shows, but they don't buy. Hopefully, these manufacturers will weather the storm and emerge all the better.

In the meantime, I intend to get what was promised to us.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,497
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
"But we've had huge problems getting our Freedom Boat Sale checks from Hunter.

As part of our purchase contract, Hunter was supposed to send us monthly checks for 12 months to help cover loan payments, slip fees, fuel, and insurance. This promotion greatly influenced our decision to buy
.

Is it possible for you to show us the specific portion(s) of the sales contract stating the terms of the rebate? Also, what is the relationship of Hunter Marine with Freedom Boat Sale?
thanks in advance for the info
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,113
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
One thing that Hunter knows is that the four not paid installments may be less than the legal fees that you may incur in an attempt to recover the payments.. Sly buggers they are.
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,187
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Why Lawyer Up?

I don't understand why you don't just file in small claims and be done with it. Unless you have a reason to go after punitive damages, just file for the balance owed and the $500. This seems pretty straight forward unless I'm missing something.
 
Sep 26, 2008
566
- - Noank CT.
did you try the better business bureau or maybe the fla state attorneys office ??? without trying to be too nosey how much money are we talking about ??? (your share not the sales reps)
 
Jun 8, 2004
48
hunter 27 Savannah
hunter worries

This is not about your four missed rebate checks or Hunter balancing its
losses against lawyer's fees.. The same problem was reported in this
forum by a new owner just months ago, who, unfortunately, was stuck with a defective boat besides the missing rebates.
Hunter not responding? But they have, loud and clear!
 
Sep 26, 2008
566
- - Noank CT.
This is not about your four missed rebate checks or Hunter balancing its
losses against lawyer's fees.
Hunter not responding? But they have, loud and clear!
While it is not entirely about the missed payments that is the only remedy. The "contract" was broken and the only legal remedy is to have both parties meet the obligation of the contract (sales agreement). However your point about Hunter has all ready responded is a very valid and would appear to tell "the rest of the story" as Paul Harvey would have said !!
 
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Nov 17, 2008
49
Hunter 38 St. Petersburg
"But we've had huge problems getting our Freedom Boat Sale checks from Hunter.

As part of our purchase contract, Hunter was supposed to send us monthly checks for 12 months to help cover loan payments, slip fees, fuel, and insurance. This promotion greatly influenced our decision to buy
.

Is it possible for you to show us the specific portion(s) of the sales contract stating the terms of the rebate? Also, what is the relationship of Hunter Marine with Freedom Boat Sale?
thanks in advance for the info
Here's the verbage from our sales contract: "This yacht also qualifies for Hunter Freedom Boat Sale Promotion, which includes free year slip fee up to $20/ft/month, free fuel (includes two fill ups), insurance payments for one year. Hunter will mail buyer monthly checks for $2,271.75 for 12 months. Total value from Hunter $27,261. THIS APPLIES TO THIS ONE YACHT ONLY AND MUST CLOSE WITHIN TWO (2) WEEKS OF SIGNING AGREEMENT. TOTAL DISCOUNTS INCLUDING THE FREEDOM BOAT SALE (PAID OVER 12 MONTHS) TOTAL $67,205."

The Freedom Boat Sale was a Hunter Marine sales promotion in 2008.
 

Benny

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Sep 27, 2008
1,149
Hunter 320 Tampa, FL
An attorney letter costs about $200, have one sent. If still no results find an attorney who will litigate the case for 50% recovered funds. Half of something is better than 100% of nothing.
 
Sep 26, 2008
566
- - Noank CT.
That is quite a bit more money then I was anticipating !! First (IMHO) a letter from a lawyer is not going to scare Hunter into paying. They have lawyers too and it will not intimidate another lawyer. I still think try the Fla State Attorneys office to see if they can help you, then I would go to a private lawyer. Maybe some brethren of the law bar might be willing to post a few suggestions but definitely worth fighting for that kind of money. Possible go to the lender (if one) and ask for there help in fighting this especially if the lender has an association with Hunter. Unfortunately if you have to sue you most likely will have to sue the manufacture, sales agent (dealer) and sales person ( trifecta !). Maybe also want to make sure you keep up the insurance payments up to date or have another separate policy so your insurance does not lapse. Good Luck with this keep us posted on outcome or any progress.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Do we even know if "Hunter" is actually making these payments or is it from a third party company.

While I would agree that this is ultimately Hunters problem there may be more to the equation.
 
Jan 10, 2010
36
hunter cruiser Charlevoix
Don't waste any more time!

First of all i've been in business for 30 years as a CPA, CFO and now own my own business. Given what information is here to read, i'd say Hunter is in HUGE financial trouble. You will need to file suit against Hunter, the Dealer, and anyone else involved in th transaction. You DO NOT EVER renege on such a contract with a customer unless you have no choice. It's the absolute worst thing you can do to destroy your business; especially in todays world of the internet, blogs, reviews, consumer advocacy and on and on.
I own a marketing company and it's single worst thing you can d to your business other than setting it on fire! So my guess is Hunter is tanking fast! If thats the case, they really don't care about you right now and the sooner you act legally the better chance you have of collecting some of the amount due. If they file chapter 7, you're out the money unless you can get a settlement from the dealer. My guess is the dealer knows exactly what's going on! He can find out if he doesn't. Chapter 11, pretty muchh the same thing. I'm in Michigan and have been killed by Automotive suppliers not paying their debts. Several filed bankruptcy...chapter 7 and 11 and on one debt of $32,000 i got a check 3 years later for $138!..LOL!!...The attorneys go the rest. like they always do!...Sorry pal but the sooner you file the better chance you have! I disagree with the one poster who says Hunter doesn't care if you file a lawsuit. they have lawyers too...THEY DO CARE! The bad publicity will cost them MILLIONS! They just can't deal with all the debts or are unaware of your claims.........FILE!

I wish you the best.......it's no fun getting rippped off.
 
Sep 26, 2008
566
- - Noank CT.
Sailorkoop,

I said that "they have lawyers too" and was referring to having a lawyer send a letter as someone else suggested not a lawsuit. If you re-read my post I did say if he had to sue he should sue everyone involved with the sale. I still think a "letter" will not do any good because as you suggest if they are in that much trouble you will need to go to court anyway. Most people and most lawyers know a letter is more a request to avoid more action and settle out of court but it would seam to me the Fla State Attorney could do the same "scare" tactic for free and maybe even bring suit for the purchaser. Otherwise he will have to go to court in a private law suit. From the original post by beachjet driver Hunter is fully aware of his claim if you see the people at Hunter he has contacted. I agree he needs to take legal action but needs to be more then letter unless the letter says "NOTICE of INTENT TO SUE"
 
Oct 6, 2009
129
Newport Newport 28 MKII Jacksonville, FL
good luck...

The housing downturn has really hurt the industry my company builds heavy, PLC controlled industrial machinery for. I've spent a great deal of time & travel trying to collect close to $1,000,000 owed from three of our customers over the past 18 months. The pattern they use to avoid payment seems to match what I read here: 1) the checks stop, 2) calls are answered with weak promises of payment, 3) calls are answered with evasive, vague answers and handed off to others with no answers 4) calls not taken, 5) emails not answered, 6) customer will not set a face to face meeting 7) then, the lenders take over or put in a restructuring specialist or the business closes, plant idled, auctioned, etc. Hunter might respond to legal pressure, but find an attorney you can trust not to run up billable hours on something that is not realistically collectable, especially when the lenders hold first rights. I do like the idea of small claims court, at least it establishes a legal trail in your efforts to collect what was promised in the contract with Hunter.
 
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