What to look for when buying ?

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Oct 13, 2009
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51' Beneteau 510 Cedar Key, Florida
Would someone be able to give me some insight into what items to look for when going to purchase this new sailboat I'm looking at. Its a B 51' 510, What in your opinion would be the "most" or "major" items that would need to be in proper or tip-top shape to consider spending 175,000.00 dollars on a sailboat. Some times I'm not sure I can even trust these inspectors you might hire to look the boats over before buying them. I would really appreciate the input...it's a lot of money and I just don't want to **** it up, lol...:D Thanks guys.

Thanks again, Ross
 
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Oct 13, 2009
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51' Beneteau 510 Cedar Key, Florida
Sailingdog: Thank you very much I will look this over more in detail. Thanks :)

Ross
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Ross, in addition to that great link, you may want to check out Nigel Calder's Cruising Handbook. The first half of the book goes over systems and equipment with a very good checklist at the end of part one, middle of the book.

It would also help to know what your boating experience is.

Just remember, it ain't a car, or a house, and you or your designated surveyor, not inspector, need to check everything, brand spankin' new or any old boat.

A good surveyor is a blessing. Find one who knows how to do more than an insurance "look-see."
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
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S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
Simplistic response

"What in your opinion would be the "most" or "major" items that would need to be in proper or tip-top shape to consider spending 175,000.00 dollars on a sailboat."

The hull and the deck. I'm not paying anyone 175K for blisters or soggy core.

Bob
 
Mar 28, 2007
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Oday 23 Anna Maria Isl.
Those are very cool, good looking boats! If it was me, I would first get a chart of my local waters and sit down with it when I was not in a hurry. I would day dream of some of the places I might go- and check to see if it was doable with the draft of that boat. I would think you would need at least 7.5 feet at low tide for it not to be a stressor. Some one else might rightfully tell you different. Good luck and have fun.
 
Oct 13, 2009
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51' Beneteau 510 Cedar Key, Florida
Stu: Thanks for the book title, I looked for it tonight while I was in Borders Book Store. I'm a second generation boater and sailor. My father takes Columbia Blue water racing hulls and has them converted into luxury cruisers for private owners. He's an engineer that works out of North Carolina, Pender to be exact. When I had graduated high school I went and lived on one of the sail boats for a couple of months in the caribbean. Boy did I learn a lot from him in just those two months. Born and raised on IsLandMorada in the keys, I have been around sailboats most of my life. I'm pretty comfortable with them and will be looking forward to spending most of my time after retirement living on board one. :) Thanks for the advise Stu, have a good one.

BobM: Thanks for the heads up and I will remember those Items...thanks!

Lance: Thanks a lot on that thought...I did think about that a little but not in real detail yet. I know the boat has a 6ft draft, 16' Beam, and Length of 51'. Well according to paper...? :) Definitely good stuff to consider more carefully though, thanks![FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][/FONT]
Thanks again guys, Ross
 

BobM

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What year is the 510? I met a guy who had a large 80's Beneteau and he had a tough time when he repowered. As I recall the boat had a vee drive under the cabin sole and even though he had pros do the job they made a mess of it do to limited space...the need to cut through stringers...etc... Just food for thought. Obviously with your experience you understand about the need for good engine access to avoid the need for a large supply of ibuprofen.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Being out of my price range it is hard to know what one gets for 175k. If I were spending that kind of money I would be looking at a hell of lot of different boats until I knew for sure what one can expect for that kind of money. Study study study is my suggestion.
 
Sep 25, 2008
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C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
If I were going to buy a boat at that or any price, my first concern would be the hull and deck as BobM mentioned. I would buy a moisture meter and go through Maine Sail's primer on using one to determine if a boat is not even worth a survey. I think a moisture meter is like $300. If you start checking spots on the deck and the meter is pegged, you know it's time to move on to another boat and forget about a survey. IF there is no indication of water intrusion, then you can get a survey.
If someone has that link, that would be cool.
 
Oct 13, 2009
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51' Beneteau 510 Cedar Key, Florida
Hey BobM, the boat is a 1995. Nice...I like the ibuprofen I'm sure no matter what I'll need a lot of that. :) Engine access is critical in all boats especially when u want to do a lot of it yourself, why I liked Chevy so much as a kid growing up. :) Thanks again Bob.

Higgs, your right on the money there...I have been studying and studying, not easy either...but with this kind of money for me at least, I'm afraid I will be learning more than I care to know... :)) Thanks again!

Hermitt: I have one and will be doing that with this one. Funny you mention that, that's a lot of what I do when I go to see these boats...people look at me like...OK the guy has a weird meter look out! Hahah...it's all good though. That moisture meter really does the job and lets you know right away before putting a lot of time into this boat inspection. I highly recommend it. I thought maybe I was the only one that used those things. Thanks again! :)

Thanks guys, Ross
 
Sep 8, 2009
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Island Packet 31 Cutter/Centerboard Federal Point Yacht Club, Carolina Beach, NC
Is a Beneteau 510 your final choice?

If you're going to spend approximately $175,000 you may want to consider reading the following book: The World's Best Sailboats, Volume II, by Ferenc Mate:

Note: Scroll down after opening the following web page inorder to read the text!

http://www.ipy.com/DownloadFile.asp?sFile=Documents/WorldsBestSailboats_1.pdf

If that interests you, here is a smaller sailboat than a Beneteau 510, but it's a much better sailboat: No core issues with this sailboat!

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1997/Island-Packet-Cutter-2119855/Port-St.-Lucie`/FL/United-States

Note: The sailboat is 87.9 miles from Lauderdale! The factory is 272 miles from Lauderdale, if you want to see how they are made!

My 2 cents! Good luck!

David

 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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There are certainly more solid boats out than the Bennie and IP is one. Caliber and Pacific Seacraft fall into that category as well. If a lot off shore voyaging in the plans, these may be better choices. If island hopping with occasional off shore trips is the plan, then the Bennie may be the way to go. More room is more comfort.
 
Jun 9, 2008
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I think you need to examine what you intend to use the boat for. Are you going to go daysailing, overnighting, weekending, coastal cruising, passagemaking? Where are you going to sail? What is the depth of the waters you will be sailing in? Will you be racing? How many people do you intend to have on board? Besides buying a boat, you have to keep it some where, maintain it, have insurance, etc. This all adds to the cost of owning a boat. Need new sails? Sails on a 50+ footer are expensive. If money is no object, then cost might not be an issue. If you are going to do some passage-making and stay on board for long periods of time, then you need fuel and water capacities to last between stops where you can replenish. If you sail in Florida and the Bahamas, then you need a shoal draft (no more than 5.5 or 6.5'). If you are going to sail offshore, then you need a boat that is built well enough to withstand the rigors of mother nature when things get rough. I am not sure what the larger Beneteaus are like, but I have seen some where they really are stingy with some of the gear they use, or don't use. I remember one owner frustrated over his shower sump not draining. It turned out that there was a system of valves manifolded together and one pump to several jobs. You had to turn off all the functions you didn't want to use and turn on the valve for the sump in the shower to make it work. If all or too many valves were open, then there was not enough suction to even drain the shower sump. The dealer forgot to mention that to the new boat owner. There should be a pump for each function rather than keeping the price of the boat down by using only one pump and an elaborate valve system (which fell apart in my hands when I touched it). There should be access panels to all parts of the vessel so you can get at wiring, plumbing, etc. Sometimes there are fiberglass pans installed within a hull which provide no access to anything running between the hull and the pan. Boats are classified as offshore coastal or inland, etc. Make sure you buy a boat that is built for the task. Your life may depend on it. The method of construction varies for each classification. Many manufacturers of more inexpensively built boats, such as Beneteaus, Hunters, Catalinas, etc. offer reasonable base pricing with a host of equipment that seems adequate. But then often you will see that they have engine upgrades, winch upgrades, travelers and other options that you really might want which raise the price of the vessel considerably. Use this sort of concept for comparing other vessels which might be priced higher, but actually have the gear installed that you really want. After a close comparison, you might find that they aren't so reasonable after all and you still have a boat with generally no better quality, if quality is what you need. Many boats are beautiful inside, but don't sail very well. How important is this to you? If you have a slow boat or a boat that doesn't point very well (winged keel), then that might not be too good for passagemaking where you want to get to landfall more quickly. Regarding beauty below, does it have the berth and cabin layout needed for the type of sailing you intend to do with the amount of people you will have on board. Perhaps two heads suits you better than one. A good functional galley is important if you are going to cook all of your meals on board. Sailing in hot climates? Air conditioning might be important just like cabin heat would be in colder climates. Are there good opening ports for decent cross ventilation in all cabins? How is storage on board? Some boats have beautiful aft thwart staterooms, but that could eliminate important cockpit storage lockers where you need to put gear. Is the cockpit designed for cocktailing or offshore use? If you are in some nasty weather situations, can you move about the cockpit easily and safely? Is there adequate protection from the elements? Are the scuppers big enough to get rid of water collecting in the cockpit? Is the bridge deck high enough to keep water from pouring below? Are the companionway drop boards sturdy and strong enough to withstand the worst conditions? If you are not going to be in such conditions (inland or coastal daysailing, for example, then these things might not be important to you). A 51-footer is a big boat and has big sails. Is there an in mast furling mainsail and headsail furling system? Or, if a conventional mainsail and mast, is there an electric winch to hoist up the heavy mainsail? Are lifeline stanchions and cabling adequate to withstand a crew member being tossed against them in rough seas? Can you move about the deck safely, with adequate hand rails, footing, jack lines, etc.? What about electronics? What about battery power? I guess I am considering the worst situations. You just want to consider what you will be doing with the boat and where you will be sailing. Not just if it has blisters, moisture (which are important, of course) or a cool stereo system.
 
Oct 13, 2009
6
51' Beneteau 510 Cedar Key, Florida
desrrell: Thanks for the information and the links, i will look into them and see what i can adjust on my findings. Again thank you very much good info!! :)

Higgs: yes i am looking for the room, that's important to me. thanks again!

Barnacle Bill: I like this passage you have written and thank you, i have read this pretty carefully and i am still reading between the lines... :) I like it though, good info! I will be staying on this boat and mainly in the Caribbean for approx. 8 to 10 mo. out of the year. I will have my significant/s with me... ;) Thanks again, talk later. :)

Ross
 
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