Strange Grinding Sound from Shaft/bearing?

Nov 6, 2020
450
Mariner 36 California
Curious what some opinions might be.

My friend has a 30ft sailboat with an electric engine. Engine runs fine, no problems. This weekend we were delivering the boat from one marina to another 40'ish miles away.

When we first undocked, when throttle was applied to leave the slip, the engine revved up for about two seconds, just enough to power the prop to get us out of the slip then died. Foreward power on the throttle did the same. I reversed and put the engine in forward several times with same result. Symptom was like a battery that just died suddenly but kept happening. We limped to another dock with some help. Confused because the batteries are new and fully charged and healthy, I switched swithces back on and off several times thinking maybe it was a dirty contact or that some debris had made its way across a contact. Either this or something had found its way around the prop. In any case, when i came back up and tried it, the engine seemed to work again, so we left and headed out. We motored out a long way and engine worked perfectly.

A few hours into the sail, the winds died down so we decided to motor sail for a while to keep our speed up. All of a sudden there is this nasty grinding noise like metal-on-metal coming from what sounds like the area of the cutlass bearing. Also, the engine revs are becoming erratic, meaning that the prop shaft (observed from inside) spins in a way that it seems like there is some resistance. It cycles between spinning quickly and then slows down some, then spins quickly again, then slows down again like there is some erratic pressure on it.

We are going slow enough that i can pop it in reverse thinking maybe kelp or a bag or something is wrapped in the prop. When I do the grinding noise goes away. I go back into forward and the grinding noise comes back and the erratic motion of the prop comes back. At this point I figure maybe its just from the waves or forces on the prop from underwater. We are still sailing along at three kts or so. Out of curiosity, I put the prop in neutral and let it free wheel and the grinding noise goes away. The electric motor also has a 'regen' ability which allows the prop to freely spin but uses the energy to recharge. I put it in regen mode and the grinding noise is also not present. Thinking the problem is gone, I shift back into forward and a slowly the grinding noise comes back again. At this point im pretty confused but we need the motor now so keep it in forward gear. It never gets any worse but also does not go away. We make it back to the marina with no further issues.

So i'm scratching my head trying to think of culprits that would explain why the grinding sound only appears when in forward gear under load. I was not able to dive on the boat as we got back pretty late and i'm not sure when the new owner will schedule a diver to go check the prop. The new owner is a good friend of the previous owner so i made it clear we need a diver to take a closer look asap.

I confirmed the sound is 100% external to the boat, however i'm not 100% certain it was the cutlass bearing. Thats just my best guess. The boat has a fixed prop so not much to go wrong. My best guesses so far are just two theories. First, possibly a loose or mis-aligned motor mount allowing the engine to put torque on the prop under power in a way that forced the shaft into an awkward angle where it passes through the cutlass bearing. Second, that something had wrapped itself around the prop very close to the forward side of the prop where it enters the cutlass bearing, and when under load pushed up against it creating some friction and drag. I guess the diver will confirm #2 unless its something small that has worked its way into the bearing.

Anyways, any other best guesses i'm missing? This is a real headscratcher.

To add...I have sailed and motored many, many hours and miles on this boat over the past few years and it has performed flawlessly up until now.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,517
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
cant contribute anything useful. Could be anything from the cutless to mounts to shaft log to transmission.

After you identify the cause, it would be interesting what you finally find. Please report back.
 
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Jan 7, 2011
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Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
Maybe a shaft zink came loose and is rubbing on the strut….or the strut bearing is shot….or something (rope, wire, seaweed) is wrapped around the shaft…

You didn’t mention the transmission.… what sort of tranny does this electric yacht use? Could it be the source of the noise? That is where my mind would go first.


Greg
 
May 17, 2004
5,764
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
My guess is some kind of bearing failure in the motor that grinds only when the shaft is pushing forward. The other guesses above aren’t bad ones either though. Maybe a mechanics stethoscope will help narrow down the source?
 
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Apr 25, 2024
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Fuji 32 Bellingham
Yeah, that's kind of interesting. Here are some thoughts, in no certain order, some better than others:
  • Migrated collar zinc: The zinc rubs against the strut, just barely, when in forward, but clears it, just barely, when in reverse.
  • Rope cutter spacing: Similar thing, but with a rope cutter, if equipped.
  • Cutlass bearing: This normally seems a likely culprit, but the symptoms are kind of weird.
Let us know what it turns out to be.
 

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Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
If you know (or believe) the sound is coming from outside the hull, you could probably set up a test to discover the facts.

Tie the boat securely at the dock. Have a diver go down and watch the prop spinning as you exercise the throttle. If no diver is available, get an underwater camera and look at the shaft and prop while you sit on the dock.
 
Nov 6, 2020
450
Mariner 36 California
Hey thanks everyone for the ffedback and suggestions. My friend scheduled a diver to come by and check it out, but unfortunately i wont be there so passed along the suggestions for him to check. I added that maybe take a close look at the prop to see if its loose or bent/damaged although im sure this is unlikely, but since he is down there. It hopefully is just something super obvious like some fishing line or kelp wrapped up good and tight. We did run over a kelp tree on the trip that i felt go through the rudder. I didnt see anything dragging though so figured we cleared it.
 
Nov 6, 2020
450
Mariner 36 California
Maybe a shaft zink came loose and is rubbing on the strut….or the strut bearing is shot….or something (rope, wire, seaweed) is wrapped around the shaft…

You didn’t mention the transmission.… what sort of tranny does this electric yacht use? Could it be the source of the noise? That is where my mind would go first.


Greg
simple direct drive as far as i can tell. pretty much exactly like a power drill. This is the motor she has. I stuck my head in the engine bay behind the engine while motoring. The noise is definitely coming from the exterior. The motor sounded and looked to be working normally.
I hadntt thought about the zinc though. Maybe it came loose.

 
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Nov 6, 2020
450
Mariner 36 California
Yeah, that's kind of interesting. Here are some thoughts, in no certain order, some better than others:
  • Migrated collar zinc: The zinc rubs against the strut, just barely, when in forward, but clears it, just barely, when in reverse.
  • Rope cutter spacing: Similar thing, but with a rope cutter, if equipped.
  • Cutlass bearing: This normally seems a likely culprit, but the symptoms are kind of weird.
Let us know what it turns out to be.
Thanks. passed that info along. no rope cutter installed. Yeah i agree since freewheeling produces no noise. Maybe the output torque of the motor puts side load on the shaft that then transfers that side load through the shaft into a worn cutlass bearing? Maybe Davisdailor is onto something and a worn internal component in the motor is allowing increased side load on the shaft. I'm getting way ahead of myself though until results from diver.
 
Nov 6, 2020
450
Mariner 36 California
If you know (or believe) the sound is coming from outside the hull, you could probably set up a test to discover the facts.

Tie the boat securely at the dock. Have a diver go down and watch the prop spinning as you exercise the throttle. If no diver is available, get an underwater camera and look at the shaft and prop while you sit on the dock.
Yeah i will definitely try this if diver finds nothing obvious. Boat is now in my marina so would be doable on the weekend.
 
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Sep 11, 2022
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Catalina 34 mk 1.5 Rockland ME
+1 to what David said: the main difference between driving in forward and all the other conditions is the thrust on the prop. Since it's causing erratic RPM it's clearly creating some significant resistance, which means something is binding. Remember also that the job of the strut is to keep the shaft from moving side/side or up/down in response to that thrust, so the prop alone could be causing some significant side-loading into e.g. a worn cutlass. Or maybe a cracked strut allowing the cutlass to twist under load?

Definitely post the root cause here when you find out!
 
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Nov 6, 2020
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Mariner 36 California
+1 to what David said: the main difference between driving in forward and all the other conditions is the thrust on the prop. Since it's causing erratic RPM it's clearly creating some significant resistance, which means something is binding. Remember also that the job of the strut is to keep the shaft from moving side/side or up/down in response to that thrust, so the prop alone could be causing some significant side-loading into e.g. a worn cutlass. Or maybe a cracked strut allowing the cutlass to twist under load?

Definitely post the root cause here when you find out!
interesting...will do. i'm trying to tie all of this to the strange problem we had with power cutting out when we were leaving the slip. I feel like the two must be related somehow. we have had zero issues over the past few years and now two all of a sudden on the same day.