Backstay Split Rigging?

Jul 29, 2024
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Hunter 23 Baytown
Hello everyone and i thank you upfront for your patience. I am a 1st and new owner to a hunter 23 and i have been spending some time figuring out the rigging and where it needs to go. I believe i have the forestay and shrouds figured out based on length and how the toggles are setup. The one i cant figure out is the back stay. Does teh backstay have 3 individual cables? also i have noticed that i do not have the triangle shaped plate for the cables. Can anyone shed some light on what it looks like properly rigged and/or where to get it from. I have attached a picture of the end of the cable in question.
 

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May 27, 2004
2,038
Hunter 30_74-83 Ponce Inlet FL
The two short, and possibly smaller gauge wires, mount to two holes on the plate with u shaped connectors and clevis pins. The other ends mount to the chain plates with turn buckles and long threaded pins.
The remaining, longer wire mounts to the third hole and then runs to the mount at the top of the mast. The fitting in your pic is what goes up to the mast top fitting. Though, I've never see that kind of end fitting being used on a back stay. But I do see a turn buckle at the other end
(I think). The pic is cut off at that end.
 
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Jul 7, 2004
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Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
That end is foreign to me too.
I use one of my Loos gauges to adjust my split backstay. Basically I just adjust to equal tension on both sides.
My first Loos gauge fit all my rigging on my old Mac26S. I had to buy the larger one to set my sidestays on Bella.
 
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Oct 31, 2022
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Catalina Capri 22 Huntington
My lower shrouds (on a Catalina Capri 22, Selden mast) have that end on them and they pass through the spreader near the mast and sit in a bowl shaped pocket. Are you sure that is not one of your shrouds?
 
Jul 29, 2024
7
Hunter 23 Baytown
Awesome thank yall again for your input. I have it figured out were they attach to the boat. This is what i think pic 1, 3 and 6 is the 4 cables for the shrouds ( notice the ends as they turn slightly to go into the holes on the side of the mast) 2 short and 2 longer. Pic 2 and 7 is the forestay and where it attaches to the mast. Pic 3 and 5 is what i believe is the back stay but there is no hole in the mast to put like the shrouds are setup its different and just has a pin and im missing a way to connect the 3. Let me know what you think.
 

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Dec 14, 2003
1,421
Hunter 34 Lake of Two Mountains, QC, Can
Not familiar with your boat but it does look like the cable on your picture 8840 is your backstay. Of course the turnbuckle at one end would attach to the chainplate on your stern. The other end would probably be secured to the piece at the top of your mast shown on pic 8844. If i'm right, you would need to remove the turnbuckle from the bottom end and insert the cable through that hole at the end of the piece attached to the top of the mast going from the top of the piece inside the hole and down. Bring the cable all the way to where the tulip shape end sits in that bowl nest at the end of the piece. Bring the end with the turnbuckle down to the stern and secure it to the stern chainplate. Maybe someone with a similar boat can chime in. Good luck
 
Jul 29, 2024
7
Hunter 23 Baytown
The two short, and possibly smaller gauge wires, mount to two holes on the plate with u shaped connectors and clevis pins. The other ends mount to the chain plates with turn buckles and long threaded pins.
The remaining, longer wire mounts to the third hole and then runs to the mount at the top of the mast. The fitting in your pic is what goes up to the mast top fitting. Though, I've never see that kind of end fitting being used on a back stay. But I do see a turn buckle at the other end
(I think). The pic is cut off at that end.
The mast does not have a hole for that weird end, the mast has a clevis pin
 
Jul 29, 2024
7
Hunter 23 Baytown
Not familiar with your boat but it does look like the cable on your picture 8840 is your backstay. Of course the turnbuckle at one end would attach to the chainplate on your stern. The other end would probably be secured to the piece at the top of your mast shown on pic 8844. If i'm right, you would need to remove the turnbuckle from the bottom end and insert the cable through that hole at the end of the piece attached to the top of the mast going from the top of the piece inside the hole and down. Bring the cable all the way to where the tulip shape end sits in that bowl nest at the end of the piece. Bring the end with the turnbuckle down to the stern and secure it to the stern chainplate. Maybe someone with a similar boat can chime in. Good luck
The backstay is a split design, there are 2 chainplates to tie too at the stern. The problem i have is i cant figure how to tie the 3 cables together.
 
Dec 14, 2003
1,421
Hunter 34 Lake of Two Mountains, QC, Can
The backstay is a split design, there are 2 chainplates to tie too at the stern. The problem i have is i cant figure how to tie the 3 cables together.
In that case looking at your pic 8854, the longer of the 3 cables, the one with the tulip shape end would be installed as explained in my previous post (# 9) and the 2 smaller ones would be the splitted ends of the backstay with the turnbuckles attached to their respective chainplates on either side of the stern. You need to get a piece like on the attached pix to join the top part to the two bottom parts. Pretty easy to have one made out of stainless by a machine shop. Thickness, Size, and dimensions would depend on length and width needed. The stays (cables) attach to it with stainless bolts.
 

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Jul 29, 2024
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Hunter 23 Baytown
In that case looking at your pic 8854, the longer of the 3 cables, the one with the tulip shape end would be installed as explained in my previous post (# 9) and the 2 smaller ones would be the splitted ends of the backstay with the turnbuckles attached to their respective chainplates on either side of the stern. You need to get a piece like on the attached pix to join the top part to the two bottom parts. Pretty easy to have one made out of stainless by a machine shop. Thickness, Size, and dimensions would depend on length and width needed. The stays (cables) attach to it with stainless bolts.
I was thinking if i could make something similar to the picture and have a plate made where it was just a hole at the top then use the clevis pin but i would really prefer maybe making 2 plates and sandwiching the eyes that would be better but that wouldnt work for the top one. What do you think about removing the existing stem ball and installing a eye?
 

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Jul 29, 2024
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Hunter 23 Baytown
The mast does not have a hole for that weird end, the mast has a clevis pin
I think i understand what you are saying now. Looking at the top of the mast there is a hole (see pic 8844) that must be where the swage stem ball goes and sits? So im just missing the plate that connects all the eyes together.
 
May 27, 2004
2,038
Hunter 30_74-83 Ponce Inlet FL
You Got It!
That's the three holes I mentioned.
First, call "Rig Right" and ask them if they have it in stock.
If not, ask for the metal specs and thickness if possible.
Take a copy of the pic with the connecting plate and the specs
to a machine shop who works in stainless.

BTW, I don't think pic 8840 is your back stay.
G.
 

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Apr 27, 2010
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Hunter 23 Lake Wallenpaupack
My H23 has a *pair* of the triangular plates to tie the three backstay wires together, like a sandwich as you noted. Since your backstay wires are terminated with the flat, not split, eyes you will need both triangles. A standard clevis pin goes through one plate, the eye, then the other plate and is secured with a cotter pin.