Puget Sound Chain Plate Replacement Recommendations?

Oct 3, 2022
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Island Packet 31 Bellingham
We need to get the chain plates replaced on our 1987 Island Packet 31.

Does anyone have any recommendations in the Puget Sound area based on actual experiences?

Thanks much!
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
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Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
We need to get the chain plates replaced on our 1987 Island Packet 31.

Does anyone have any recommendations in the Puget Sound area based on actual experiences?

Thanks much!
Forgive me if you've done this already, but I was thinking you might get a lot of help from Island Packet's customer service. For sure on the actual chainplates and other rigging, and for sure on replacement methods. They may even have preferred riggers in your area that work with their dealer network and such.

I spent a number of vacations cruising with my friends on their IP 29 over the years, upo and down the west coast of Fla, and even a rendevous in Eleuthera during their 3 month cruise in the Bahamas:cool: Anyway, I was always impressed with the factory support no matter how old or how many owners a boat had... each boat is like part of a large extended family.

Anyway, I think the staff from IP would be delighted to hear from you, so I encourage you to give them a call or email and get their input and whatever references they may want to provide. Good Luck... congratulations on your choice of sailboat.
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
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Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
Well, my question is 'why do you have to replace the chainplates?'
 
Oct 3, 2022
12
Island Packet 31 Bellingham
Forgive me if you've done this already, but I was thinking you might get a lot of help from Island Packet's customer service. For sure on the actual chainplates and other rigging, and for sure on replacement methods. They may even have preferred riggers in your area that work with their dealer network and such.

I spent a number of vacations cruising with my friends on their IP 29 over the years, upo and down the west coast of Fla, and even a rendevous in Eleuthera during their 3 month cruise in the Bahamas:cool: Anyway, I was always impressed with the factory support no matter how old or how many owners a boat had... each boat is like part of a large extended family.

Anyway, I think the staff from IP would be delighted to hear from you, so I encourage you to give them a call or email and get their input and whatever references they may want to provide. Good Luck... congratulations on your choice of sailboat.
Thanks for the reply, Joe! I've been in touch with the factory. Unfortunately, they don't have a lot of useful input on local service providers who have dealt with this issue. That's why I'm hoping to hear from folks who have gone through this up/over here and can recommend someone.
 
Oct 3, 2022
12
Island Packet 31 Bellingham
Well, my question is 'why do you have to replace the chainplates?'
Well, jviss, how much time do you have to go down that rabbit hole? Compromised chain plates made from 304 "stainless" steel in pre-1996 Island Packets is a well-documented issue. But it actually extends to other brands that have internal, "glassed-in" chain plates made from 304 SS. Here is a link with words straight from the horse's mouth:

Island Packet Chainplates - Do They Need to be Replaced? – Island-Packet-Ancestry

Long story short - since there is no way to tell how well the boat has been taken care of by previous owners we really have no way to determine the integrity of our chain plates. All we know is that they're the original 304 SS ones and we just don't trust those anymore.
 

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SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Welcome to the SBO Forum @DirtyScoobie . If the yacht manufacturer is not able to help, then you may have to approach one of the Marine boat yard shops in Bellingham and see what type of machine work they do.

Do you have the old chainplates and are looking to just replace them? I watched Schaefer Marine, a few years ago, manufacturer new chainplates for a Cal 40 on the west coast. They had a sophisticated CNC plasma cutting machine and did great work.

I suspect given the part you want replaced there are several machine shops in the Puget Sound that could manufacture and polish stainless chainplates to match the ones from your boat.
 
Oct 3, 2022
12
Island Packet 31 Bellingham
Welcome to the SBO Forum @DirtyScoobie . If the yacht manufacturer is not able to help, then you may have to approach one of the Marine boat yard shops in Bellingham and see what type of machine work they do.

Do you have the old chainplates and are looking to just replace them? I watched Schaefer Marine, a few years ago, manufacturer new chainplates for a Cal 40 on the west coast. They had a sophisticated CNC plasma cutting machine and did great work.

I suspect given the part you want replaced there are several machine shops in the Puget Sound that could manufacture and polish stainless chainplates to match the ones from your boat.
Hi John! I'm not concerned about sourcing the actual chain plates. I can get them from Garhauer. I need a boat yard/service provider with experience actually tearing out (carefully) the cabinetry to even get to the chainplates, grind out the fiberglass, replace the chain plates, glass them back in, and get the cabinetry back in place. That's the big ticket item. Some of the boat yards I've called won't go near the project. I wish Mack Yachts wasn't clear across the country!
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
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Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
Long story short - since there is no way to tell how well the boat has been taken care of by previous owners we really have no way to determine the integrity of our chain plates. All we know is that they're the original 304 SS ones and we just don't trust those anymore.
Thanks for that, the letter from IP Ancestry is interesting. So, I'm curious, how could previous "owner care" have altered the condition of suspect chainplates? It seems that use may be a factor, as indicated in the letter, but even that's tough to gauge.

Edited:

I would add that I find it rather odd that a builder would encase chainplates in fiberglass. Are they still doing this? Stainless needs oxygen to remain corrosion resistant, and avoid crevice corrosion, etc.
 
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Nov 21, 2012
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Yamaha 33 Port Ludlow, WA
Both Anacortes and Port Townsend are well known for availability of services. Port Townsend Shipwright's Co-op or Haven Boatworks (also in PT) should be able to handle such a job. I've never used them but when in PT I love to stroll through Boat Haven and marvel at their work. Port Townsend Foundry could make you something nice in silicon bronze.
 
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SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Ok.. That is a horse of a different color.
Try Your Boat Shop in Everett Marina. Specifically, Peter. I understand he has ownership in the shop, from the guy who did my fiberglass bottom work.
Peter has a reputation as a master carpenter. The work I have seen him do a few years ago on a friends boat was first class.
Peter's number is 425-754-4871
No idea of costs or if he has time. But worth a call
 
Oct 3, 2022
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Island Packet 31 Bellingham
Thanks for that, the letter from IP Ancestry is interesting. So, I'm curious, how could previous "owner care" have altered the condition of suspect chainplates? It seems that use may be a factor, as indicated in the letter, but even that's tough to gauge.

Edited:

I would add that I find it rather odd that a builder would encase chainplates in fiberglass. Are they still doing this? Stainless needs oxygen to remain corrosion resistant, and avoid crevice corrosion, etc.
I think previous owner care would apply as far as making sure that where the chainplates poke up out of the deck/toe rail is properly sealed to prevent water ingress. No water ingress, no corrosion. Obviously, it's a stretch to think that no water ever got in there since 1987, but at least the potential damage could be mitigated. Regardless, it's academic at this point.

As far as construction methods - Island Packet is not the only brand that did this, and I have no idea if they still do.
 
Oct 3, 2022
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Island Packet 31 Bellingham
Both Anacortes and Port Townsend are well known for availability of services. Port Townsend Shipwright's Co-op or Haven Boatworks (also in PT) should be able to handle such a job. I've never used them but when in PT I love to stroll through Boat Haven and marvel at their work. Port Townsend Foundry could make you something nice in silicon bronze.
Thank you, mermike! I'll check that out today. Admittedly, I haven't even thought about Port Townsend. Thanks!
 
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Oct 3, 2022
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Island Packet 31 Bellingham
Ok.. That is a horse of a different color.
Try Your Boat Shop in Everett Marina. Specifically, Peter. I understand he has ownership in the shop, from the guy who did my fiberglass bottom work.
Peter has a reputation as a master carpenter. The work I have seen him do a few years ago on a friends boat was first class.
Peter's number is 425-754-4871
No idea of costs or if he has time. But worth a call
Thanks for the pointer, John. I did actually contact them. Unfortunately, while they can do bits and pieces (like the cabinetry), they don't do the interior fiberglass stuff.
 
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No water ingress, no corrosion.
On a boat there is no such thing as "no water ingress." Even with the best maintained vessel, there will be some moisture, even if just in the air. The encapsulation of the chainplates in fiberglass is a strong part of the problem here, limiting the oxygen available to the alloy which is necessary to resist corrosion.

Pitting and Crevice Corrosion
 
Oct 3, 2022
12
Island Packet 31 Bellingham
On a boat there is no such thing as "no water ingress." Even with the best maintained vessel, there will be some moisture, even if just in the air. The encapsulation of the chainplates in fiberglass is a strong part of the problem here, limiting the oxygen available to the alloy which is necessary to resist corrosion.

Pitting and Crevice Corrosion
OK, sure. Again, all academic, and I'm quite aware of pitting and crevice corrosion. Point is that I need the old 304 chainplates replaced and am looking for a service provider in the Puget Sound area that can/will do the job. The construction methods of the boat may be debatable, but changing the manufacturer's ways is outside the scope of my inquiry.
 
Oct 3, 2022
12
Island Packet 31 Bellingham
Quite likely you have already searched this forum but if not it is probably worthy of a try. No questions from me so no answer required. Good luck.

IPY Owners Association
Thanks, Len! Yes, I subscribe to that forum. But I need the local knowledge. There is another FB group called the Puget Packeteers, and I've stretched feelers out there, too. Just trying to cast a wide net. Thanks again!
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
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Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
OK, sure. Again, all academic, and I'm quite aware of pitting and crevice corrosion. Point is that I need the old 304 chainplates replaced and am looking for a service provider in the Puget Sound area that can/will do the job. The construction methods of the boat may be debatable, but changing the manufacturer's ways is outside the scope of my inquiry.
It would be cool if there was a way to determine the condition of the chainplates; maybe ultrasonically?
 
May 7, 2012
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Hunter e33 Maple Bay, BC
We all know that chainplates are an integral part of every sailboat standing rigging. One of the best riggers in the PNW is unfortunately no longer with us but Brion Toss’s shop and understudies are. I bet if they don’t actually do the work, they will be able to steer you in the right direction.
Brion Toss Rigging
 
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