TOO MUCH WIND?

Jan 19, 2010
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Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Wow!

I guess a little more girth in the bow would have helped her stay on her feet.
 

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Jun 4, 2009
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Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
It appears that both sheets were in tight and neither of them could slack them in time to stop the capsize. I'd have to call that human error. They probably didn't do it on purpose, as that water looks dam cold.
 
Jan 11, 2014
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Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
They stuffed the bow of the leeward hull. That brought the boat to a sudden stop and up and over she went. It's a long way down from the helm.:(
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
That looks like it might have been fun 60 years ago but now I reef early and stay comfortable!
I see this comment often about “reefing early.” Is “reefing early” reefing before the boat “needs” to be reefed in anticipation of increasing wind speed within half an or less, or reefing when not necessary just in case some bigger wind arrives sometime that afternoon, or just being reefed so not to work so hard. Seems like I’ve done all three. I don’t feel good about reefing for a surprise big wind that does not arrive.:(
 
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Apr 8, 2011
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Hunter 40 Deale, MD
I don’t feel good about reefing for a surprise big wind that does not arrive.:(
Reminds me of my dad one time who I had to constantly remind to put on his seat belt when he replied, "I'm not planning on getting into an accident!" I've never been disappointed that I reefed and didn't need it. But I DEFINITELY have regretted not reefing when I should have. Blown out jib furler bearings, sunglasses knocked off my face by a flapping jib sheet (lucky I didn't lose an eye), startled crew grabbing for handholds as the boat suddenly heeled over unnecessarily - that's all on me. But hey, YMMV ;)
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
My two most common instances would be reefing when Santa Ana winds are about in case a big gust or wall of wind arrives, punching up the sustained wind speed making it difficult to reef. Or, when T-storms or other unsettled weather is about that looks threatening. Microbursts are very scary. However, if the wind does not arrive you could end up sailing for hours while reefed in low to moderate wind. In that kind of “reefing early” the boat is not becoming overpowered before the big wind arrives.

Most reefing is in response to increasing wind speed that brings increased heeling and consequently increased weather helm. In such case reducing sail is the last of a series of adjustments to flatten the boat and reduce the weather helm, etc “Reefing early” IMO would be reducing sail before the optimum trim for the conditions is reached under “full sail.” I guess that’s my “up-bringing” from racing. Sails stay up until the boat can make better VMG under reduced sail, etc.
 
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Jan 11, 2014
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Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
As one ages, one's thoughts about reefing change. I was once in the never reef and fly the 150 all the time. Not any more.

The 150 is gone in favor of a 135. I reef when the wind starts pushing 15 kts or before sailing at night.
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
…or before sailing at night.
I’ve been hearing this from the old and young salts, the young probably get it from the old, since me sailing days in the GOM, SW FL— > 30 yr past. Is it because at night it’s likely to be more difficult to reef due to dim light, or b/c of the darkness one might not be able to foresee conditions, or something other? Back in the day when you had to go to the mast to reef, darkness could be a factor. Now, with in-cockpit reefing systems, why as a matter of routine sailing be reefed at night, etc? I still wonder.:doh: Seems more a matter of sailing lore than actual seamanship.
 
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Apr 8, 2011
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Hunter 40 Deale, MD
I’ve been hearing this from the old and young salts, the young probably get it from the old, since me sailing days in the GOM, SW FL— > 30 yr past. Is it because at night it’s likely to be more difficult to reef due to dim light, or b/c of the darkness one might not be able to foresee conditions, or something other. Back in the day when you had to go to the mast to reef, darkness could be a factor. Now with in-cockpit reefing systems, why as a matter of routine sailing be reefed at night, etc. I still wonder.:doh: Seems more a matter of sailing lore than seamanship.
I can reef both my jib and main from the cockpit, but pre-reefing at night is still my preference. This is mainly because, as you point out, your ability to foretell rapidly changing conditions is almost nil at night. Last year I was sailing up the Chesapeake Bay on a nice 12 knot beam reach late in the day. As is common, scattered afternoon thunderstorms were forecast. We were flying full sails until I saw a squall approaching from the far western shore of the bay. It was roughly 5 miles away, so we couldn't hear the wind, but I could tell by the clouds and watching it roll over the trees onshore with my binos that there was some pretty heavy wind in that squall. Radar just showed a dense wall of moisture, but nothing - not even my online weather radar - showed what was going on over there in terms of wind. We reefed way down, put on rain gear and life jackets, and sailed through a pretty pleasant experience with winds gusting to 40 knots. By the time we started to "feel" the storm, we had mere seconds before the gust front hit us, but we were well prepared. But think about that scenario at night. No forewarning until it hit, and with full sails up that would've been a nightmare with possibly broken gear and a pretty shaken up crew. Maybe on a clear night with a good moon I would confidently carry full sails, but if visibility is limited I'm pretty conservative.
 
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Nov 21, 2012
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Yamaha 33 Port Ludlow, WA
I took a date out sailing (long ago) and pitchpoled a Prindle 16 at speed. I always wondered what is might have looked like. Luckily, there were no permanent injuries or disfigurations. I did not get a second date.
 
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Jul 27, 2011
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Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Yes. I know line squalls of the Chesapeake are notorious. As is similar in SW FL. Humidity-driven strong or violent weather at night as well as day is all about the eastern and southern US. A bit different here along the CA. I see your point. In a sense you were not reefing early; more like just in time!:dancing:
 
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