Cabinet vs Marine Plywood: A showdown!

Jan 11, 2014
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Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
A couple of weeks ago there was a discussion in another thread about using marine grade plywood vs cabinet grade plywood.

Both types share some important characteristics, as they are stable, have few if any knots, and at least one attractive face. A question was raised about the glues used on each type, with waterproof glue in marine ply and not waterproof glue in cabinet ply.

ln the basement I had a piece of scrap marine and a piece of scrap cabinet ply, each took a 9 day bath in their respective cups.

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The round piece is marine ply from a hole drilled into a bulkhead. It is actually 2 pieces of ply glued together. This is a boatbuilder's trick to reduce cost, use basic marine ply (less expensive) and add a veneer of expensive ply with teak, cherry, or some other exotic wood to build up the thickness and provide an attractive face.

Nine days later.

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The veneer ply was clearly attached with a water soluble glue. It separated within a day or so. The cabinet grade and the marine grade show little or no delamination. Water soluble glue does not appear to have been used on the cabinet grade. The little bit of ply separation may mean the glue is water resistant if not water proof. The marine ply showed no separation.

Can cabinet grade ply be substituted for marine grade? If the application includes frequent dunking in water, sitting in water, or is structural then marine grade is probably a better choice. For other applications, cabinet faces, mounting blocks, deck core, and any where the plywood will be sealed with epoxy, then I think cabinet grade is an economical choice.
 
Jan 19, 2010
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Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Do you have a pressure cooker? I’d like to see how the two pieces fair after 10 min at 110C boiling water.
 
May 9, 2020
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Hunter Legend 37 Harrison Twp, MI
I think you have to be a little careful with the term "cabinet grade" plywood... there is no standard on the glue used. Each manufacture could be different... good news, you can usually find the details of what they use.

Example... if you search HD for "cabinet grade plywood", you'll find several different options:

Cabinet Grade Plywood Panel (Common: 23/32 in. x 4 ft. x 8 ft.; Actual: 0.688 in. x 48 in. x 96 in.) - dig into the details, you'll find it useswaterproof permanent phenolic (WBP) glue... same spec as marine-grade plywood.

The Maple/Birch/Oak veneers - use Purebond, which is a Soy-based and offers "improved moisture resistance"... and no mention of being waterproof.

Exterior grade plywood sold in the USA should have the good stuff (WBP)... but of course it's not as pretty...

anyway, just thought that might help some people in the future... look for product specs / SDS sheets / etc... look for WBP glue.
 
Jan 11, 2014
12,184
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
Do you have a pressure cooker? I’d like to see how the two pieces fair after 10 min at 110C boiling water.
It will have to wait until my wife isn't home for a few hours. ;)

I'll use the cabinet ply and a chunk of construction ply. The marine ply has some resin and glass on it, at 110°C the resin will come off and make a mess of the cooker.
 
Sep 26, 2008
645
Hunter 340 0 Wickford, RI
It’s odd this thread appeared. I am using a sheet of 1/2 “ Marine Grade Plywood to replace the floor in my dinghy. And I took some pieces of the cut portions I had, threw them in an old plastic coffee can and put it outside.
I‘m doing my own freeze - thaw test. The floor will never see freezing temperatures or ice, but it would be nice to know if it will delaminate.
The pieces are a few days short of 2 months now sitting outside, dry in the sun, floating in water, sitting in about 1/2 inch of water and frozen solid in a full can of water. Conditions this floor will never see once in the dinghy.
As of today there are no signs of any damage or delaminating of the completely untreated plywood. All the cut ends are raw, it‘s just wood against nature.
The next few days they will be covered again in about 2 inches of water. Frozen to about 8 degrees, if the weatherman is right.
Thus far, the marine grade plywood is winning.
 

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Jan 11, 2014
12,184
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
It’s odd this thread appeared. I am using a sheet of 1/2 “ Marine Grade Plywood to replace the floor in my dinghy. And I took some pieces of the cut portions I had, threw them in an old plastic coffee can and put it outside.
I‘m doing my own freeze - thaw test. The floor will never see freezing temperatures or ice, but it would be nice to know if it will delaminate.
The pieces are a few days short of 2 months now sitting outside, dry in the sun, floating in water, sitting in about 1/2 inch of water and frozen solid in a full can of water. Conditions this floor will never see once in the dinghy.
As of today there are no signs of any damage or delaminating of the completely untreated plywood. All the cut ends are raw, it‘s just wood against nature.
The next few days they will be covered again in about 2 inches of water. Frozen to about 8 degrees, if the weatherman is right.
Thus far, the marine grade plywood is winning.
Cool!

This is an application that I would definitely not use cabinet grade ply for because it is going to get periodically soaked and left to sit in water for hours or maybe days.
 
Sep 26, 2008
645
Hunter 340 0 Wickford, RI
Dave,
Your right. The wood will “never” see freeze thaw. But it will be in sitting in water for at least a few days or hours during the summer. I am applying Total Boat Penetrating Epoxy on the floor right. The slow dry product version, so it does take at least 4 days for the full cure. First side looks good.
My hope is that with the penetrating epoxy applied and a good UV paint over that it will give me years of service. Time will tell.
Certainly beats buying a new floor from Achilles at a little over $500.
Funny story though. I could only find that 1/2 inch thick marine plywood in a Home Depot in Westerly, RI. And they hide it very well. I had to ask for it and was promptly asked “are you sure you want that plywood? Do you know how much it costs per sheet?” ($142). I said yes and then heard over the intercom “help needed in marine plywood”.
4 guys showed up and one with the big fork lift. It’s hidden on the very top shelf in the back corner of the store. I never knew gold came in wood form. But they did offer me my choice of sheet, not just the first one off the top.
 
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Jan 11, 2014
12,184
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
Do you know how much it costs per sheet?” ($142).
I recently priced ¾" marine ply, the cheap mahogany version, with a NTP discount at $175 a sheet. I need 10. And I need 1000 bf of Doug Fir at $17 bf.:(
 
Jan 11, 2014
12,184
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
I have to ask, what are you building?
I am over seeing the refit, which is really the completion of a 65' top sail schooner to be used as a sail training vessel. It is a sister ship to Playfair and St Lawrence II.