What Sailboat Cabin doesn't feel like a hole?

Jan 7, 2011
5,374
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
My O’Day 322 has some large windows in the galley and the nav station, with smaller opening ports further forward.

I can easily look out the window when standing in the galley.

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Other areas, like rear berth are more cave-like!

Greg
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Looks bright and cheery Greg.:)
 
Jan 7, 2011
5,374
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
Looks bright and cheery Greg.:)
I am following your saga…sure hope you get you engine rebuilt, boat back in the water, and over Covid soon!

My boat is laid up for the winter, but I am shopping around for a new Genoa and looking forward to a few weeks in Maui in January. By the time I get back, hopefully spring will be arriving in Chicago area and I can look forward to another sailing season on Tally Ho.

Good luck,

Greg
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
22,590
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Maui sounds grand.
A new sail to start the season will give the illusion of a new boat. It is a great feeling.

So far covid and me have reached a kumbaya status. It is not making me feel bad, and I am feeding it antiviral drugs to encourage it to go away. Thank you for the kind thoughts.
Merry Christmas.
 
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Jul 27, 2011
5,132
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
The one thing I don't like about most sailboats is that most have cabins that feel like you are in a hole.
There are at best only smallish portholes and nowhere you can sit in the cabin and look out.

I once saw a sailboat, I think it was a Pearson around 22 ft, but I could be wrong,
one part of the cabin was higher then usual, and had reasonable windows around a sette
on one side, and galley on the other side. Anyone know what model that was, or any sailboat
like that?

Thanks, Jim.
We once owned a P30 and sailed her in SW Florida for 6 years, then Southern California for 5 more, before trading up to the Bavaria 38E. I never felt like we were in “a hole” when below, although it was cozy. The Bavaria, being wider and deeper (i.e., w/ standing room) with two opening house port lights on each side of the salon, plus a hull portlight on each side, certainly does not. But as mentioned, deck salon models are quite open to outside views when below. Especially if they are large, in the 50+ foot range. Moody has a nice series of DS models. Check ‘em out.
 
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Dec 15, 2022
21
Pearson P30 Lamoine
Thank You all for your comments!

“The Cal35 Cruiser has a raised cabin surrounded by ten windows giving the occupants a 360 degree view of the bay you happen to choose as your anchorage. ”

This is pretty much what I’m looking for. The only problem is that it’s too big to sail by myself & too expensive.

“Compromises abound in sailboat design. In smaller monohulls it’s very hard to have the cabin elevated enough to get the kind of visibility you describe. Raising the cabin increases freeboard, which brings the center of gravity up and makes much more windage. Both of those are detrimental to the boat’s sailing characteristics. Windows are heavy and prone to breaking as jssailem points out, making them riskier in a higher sea state.”

Being an engineer, I’m well aware that windows are a serious weak point. Yes, everything is a compromise. He trick is to find the right balance.

What I’m considering would mostly be raising a portion of the cabin roof. Not TOO big a change in COG.

“Catamarans often have a more raised salon.”

Sorry, I‘m way too tradition to consider multihulls!

“Maybe look at a pilot house or deck salon…at least part of the cabin isn’t “in a hole”.”

exactly what I’m looking for…

“I think you are talking about the Pearson Triton 28, which has a raised cabin top over the salon. I think this Carl Alberg design was a pretty nice design. Raising the cabin to make headroom created the sides to install larger windows, while keeping freeboard of the hull relatively low. Everything is a compromise in a sailboat. The smaller the boat, the more significant the compromises need to be! If the cabin space is more important than the sailing characteristics, you eventually lean more and more toward a trawler.”

It may well be that it was a Triton that I saw.

Re: ‘Buccaneers“

I like the first one; It has larger cabin windows While being more of less tradional? The second one has a higher freeboard and too rows of small windows. I don’t like windows cut into what is essentially the hull. The third is more of the same, high freeboard, small ports, and an almost flush cabin top.

Re: Beneteau

The wrap around ports are great for letting in more list. Being as they cut the side beams of the cabin top, aren’t they a bigger risk to structural strength?

How did redsails become a thing?

Thank you all!
 
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Sep 24, 2021
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Beneteau 35s5 Telegraph hrbr Thetis Island
Thank You all for your comments!.........
Re: Beneteau
The wrap around ports are great for letting in more light. Being as they cut the side beams of the cabin top, aren’t they a bigger risk to structural strength?
......Thank you all!
I don't think that's a real concern.. there are no 'side beams' per se. But I guess that's a non issue for you if you're not looking at 30 feet+...
 
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Sep 20, 2014
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Rob Legg RL24 Chain O'Lakes
That is where the money goes. You bought the hole in the water.

But seriously I think it has a lot to do with how much freeboard you have. Boats with a lot of freeboard mean the cockpit is high up in the air, so going down into the cabin feels like you are climbing down into the pit. A boat with a short freeboard will have a lower cockpit, so you do not step down as far to get into the cabin. I never really felt like that in the RL24, as it is a shallow boat. But I have been on some boats that you feel like you are climbing down into the abyss.
 
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Apr 4, 2015
28
Bavaria Vision 42 Campbell River
I think it is a lot about the interior design ... imo more traditional ones with all dark wood do look like caves. Don't know why anyone would belittle the Admiral for wanting to see out while down below, though ... doesn't make sense to me ... mine was often prepping meals for us when down below. She had the same complaint especially when we suffered through one of our dull and rainy springs, and it quickly went on our list of "wants" in a new to us boat. The new to us Vision 42 has lighter coloured wood, light coloured upholstery and white interior hull sides plus some large hull ports, large deck windows and four overhead hatches but inside still looks more like traditional than newer euro styling. It makes for a nice bright interior, so much so that we keep shades drawn over a pair of the overheads. The boat has a very high freeboard but imo it makes the cabins very spacious and also takes away from any cave effect.
 
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Jul 27, 2011
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Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
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