First Sailboat

Ferruh

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Nov 15, 2020
18
Hunter 36 Atlantic Hights
Hello Everyone,
I'm planning to buy my first sailboat soon. I took ASA classes 101-103 and will take 104-105 next month. I'm looking between 33-38 foot boat, probably 2005-2013.
I need your opinions, I don't have any experience and I don't want to make mistake.
I love Hunter 36-38. I'm not sure about Hunter 33. How about Beneteau or Jeanneau or Bavaria?
I really appreciate your comments.
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Hello Everyone,
I'm planning to buy my first sailboat soon. I took ASA classes 101-103 and will take 104-105 next month. I'm looking between 33-38 foot boat, probably 2005-2013.
I need your opinions, I don't have any experience and I don't want to make mistake.
I love Hunter 36-38. I'm not sure about Hunter 33. How about Beneteau or Jeanneau or Bavaria?
I really appreciate your comments.
What are your plans for using the boat? The boats you mention are comparable in probably several ways. But the boat’s condition and pricing is a basic consideration. Also, what equipment it is carrying? Because of its factory production set-up, Bavaria Yachtbau produces good quality yachts at a comparatively low cost which carries into the “preowned” market. The company is known for that. Many Hunter and Beneteau owners here; few Bavaria owners by comparison.
 
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MarcW

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Dec 9, 2019
18
Hunter 356 Lancaster
We have a 2002 Hunter 356 bought last summer. It's reasonably well made, sails well, access to the internal workings is good and we like it.
One of my qualifications for buying a boat was one that had plenty of support, both parts and knowledge.
I like doing some work and upgrades myself but I'm not into fabricating things from scratch.
You've come to the right place. The community here is great and I've been able to buy parts for 18 year old items easily.
I also wanted something that I could single hand without leaving the cockpit. Good luck!
 

Ferruh

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Nov 15, 2020
18
Hunter 36 Atlantic Hights
What are your plans for using the boat? The boats you mention are comparable in probably several ways. But the boat’s condition and pricing is a basic consideration. Also, what equipment it is carrying. Because of its factory set up, Bavaria Yachtbau produces good quality yachts at a comparatively low cost which carries into the “preowned” market. The company is known for that. Many Hunter and Beneteau owners here; few Bavaria owners by comparison.
Thank you King Gambit,
I will start to use in Raritan Bay NJ protected saltwater after I get enough experience, I will start costal cruising, after that will go to Florida Keys and than Bahamas, maybe in 2 years.
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Thank you King Gambit,
I will start to use in Raritan Bay NJ protected saltwater after I get enough experience, I will start costal cruising, after that will go to Florida Keys and than Bahamas, maybe in 2 years.
Sounds good. Will you have crew?
 
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May 17, 2004
5,738
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
The Beneteau 34 and 37 are in your age and size range. They’d both be pretty solid coastal cruisers for they types of trips you’re looking at.
 
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Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
My Wife will be my crew :)
Sounds nice. A 37 to 38-ft boat is a comfortable size for a cruising couple. My wife and I have been cruising our Bavaria 38E around Southern California since 2004. Below, there is room to “spread out” as well as room for another couple to come aboard as guests for a few days to a couple of weeks. In 2008 we cruised Santa Cruz Island for 12 days with an another couple aboard. But it’s usually just the two of us, or only weekend-long trips with guests.

In terms of “essentials” in my opinion, the boat should be equipped with a good autopilot, such as the Raymarine ST6000 or equivalent (although there are other essentials as well). When motoring, an autopilot steers a much straighter course than a crew, relieving the helm of “unexciting” duty on long passages. When sailing, a good autopilot will sail the boat on the compass course you set, with some deviation depending on sea conditions and point of sail, up to maybe 17 to 20 kt apparent wind. Above that, or perhaps even earlier if the seas are on your quarter (i.e., you’re sailing a broad reach), the electric autohelms may start having some trouble, even the good ones, so you’ll be helming more. When arriving on the quarter the seas slew the stern leeward forcing the bow to weather, where the boat speeds up “wanting” to go further to weather. The autohelm has to muster a lot of force (torque) to bring the boat back on course and it might take a few seconds. A person at the helm can anticipate the response of the boat to the approaching sea and correct the course (i.e., bear away some) BEFORE the boat starts to head off to weather. This is necessary to maintain a straight course. Otherwise you’re “scalloping” all over the place.
 
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Oct 26, 2008
6,305
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
What is it that you like about the boats that get your attention? What do you know about what you don't want? Seeing that you mean to jump straight into a very large commitment, most sailors have developed their preferences based on experience, and we all have unique experiences. You may or may not have misconceptions and misconceptions can lead to a closed mind. So, what are the qualities that you want?
 
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Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Yes, quite definitely. A cruising sailboat is a very large commitment. Typically, the bigger the boat the larger the commitment; certainly in terms of $$. It is fairly commonly suggested here that a person wishing to do what you are describing first do a couple of charter trips. With your ASA “credentials”, especially after ASA 104, you should qualify for a bare-boat charter of a mid-sized boat of a fleet, say 34-36 ft or so; maybe larger. That’s where one can find out about what is liked and dis-liked in a boat design. The brands/models you mention are very common in charter fleets. Get yourself a “preview.”;)
 
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jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
23,392
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
The charter idea is a great one. Under the current limitations the governments are doing to try and control the pandemic spread, may be more difficult than a couple of years ago to charter boats. You may need to look at alternatives. Your recent schooling may permit you to join a local sailing club and take their boats out on the water.

You may be able to join a local yacht club as an associate member (one who does not own a boat but wants too). Then offer to crew on boats of various sizes to get some boat time.

Even the organization that provided the classes may have a boat rental opportunity.

At the stage of skill development where you have taken classes, the next major step is to just sail.

Boat ownership is a 2 part experience from a financial perspective.

Part one is the selection and acquisition. This is the phase it appears you are contemplating. How big? Which boat? How much (oh we have that in petty cash or we can finance that)?

Part two occurs after that magic day when you step aboard your boat. Who is going to do the maintenance?How much will it cost? Do they know their job? Will I know if they know their job? What new parts should we add to the boat? Where will we keep the boat? You what how much per foot? How much does the insurance cost? What do you mean I need to overhaul the engine, it was running fine the last time I took it out? Another Bottom Paint job, the painted the bottom only 2 years ago? Of course I put zinc's on the boat. What you need to attach them somewhere? The prop is gone? No that can't be. What in the world is a Cutlass bearing? What is it holding up and why does it cost that much?

Part two is the side of boat ownership that really can cost more than the boat. It is like any hobby. It changes with size and complication. The more features/systems on your boat the more costly is the maintenance.

Be sure that you want to take up this hobby as you prepare to dive into the deep end of the pool. There are so many great experiences awaiting as there are challenges that will test your resolve.
 
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Jan 1, 2006
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Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
As a former owner of a H356 I can recommend it for your purposes.
In my opinion, while ASA lessons are good, the success of cruising is in the experience of knowing destinations. So I suggest looking for and studying cruising guides for the areas you want to go. Where to anchor? What services are available? What weather conditions are suitable or unsuitable for a particular destination. You learn to cruise.
For example: Coecles Harbor in Shelter Island is a popular, safe anchorage, USGC designated and has good holding. Except in a N-NE gale. Then you'd be better off at the Coecles Harbor Marine mooring field. I know this because I've lived it.
 
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Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
My basic “rule of thumb”, although some might quibble, is that if you lump most of the stuff John mentioned into one hopper, perhaps with a few other items, it comes out to about $10K-$12K/year average (e.g., over several years) to keep and maintain in good condition a 36-38 ft sailboat, NOT counting (obviously) the mortgage if you have one. At least that’s for here in Southern California. The newer the boat and its equipment, the lower the early costs of maintenance, etc. So, for most of us, it’s a very careful decision to be made.
 
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Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
... the success of cruising is in the experience of knowing destinations. So I suggest looking for and studying cruising guides for the areas you want to go.
:thumbup::thumbup:
The OP is fortunate to have local cruising knowledge and experience available in this forum!:yeah:
 
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jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
23,392
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
YES. His location near Barnegat, NJ has a couple of our SBO members who sail the area. The cruising plan @Ferruh proposed could bring him in contact with SBO members who have been there and continue to sail there. Members who share their experience to help a fellow sailors.
 
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BarryL

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May 21, 2004
1,074
Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 409 Mt. Sinai, NY
Hello,

Welcome! And good luck in your sailing career!

IMHO, the most common cruising boats are more similar than not. Boats from Hunter, Catalina, Jeanneau, Beneteau, Dufour, Hanse, Bavaria, etc are mostly all the same. That's a good thing, not a bad thing, as there should be plenty of boats for you to examine.

Some advice from me:
-If you are going to be mostly day sailing or weekending, or being away for under a week then a smaller boat (33-36) is better than a bigger boat (36-40). The smaller boat is cheaper or newer, easier to sail, easier to maintain, cheaper in marina's and more than spacious enough for 2 people.
-If you are going to be aboard for month or longer, then you may want the bigger boat. If you are spending longer time on board you MAY want heat or Air conditioning, powered windlass, and more creature comforts.
-You should try to find a good broker / dealer and see lots of boats. Have the broker point out the benefits and disadvantages of different boats. Do you like single helm or two? Single is simpler, two makes moving from stern to cabin easier. Do you like roller furling main or traditional main? Do you want a larger head w shower or more space in cabin? It's impossible to know until you have been aboard a bunch of boats.
-Lastly, don't be surprised that if you wants and needs change after you get some experience.
-I suggest you start smaller and cheaper and work from there.

Good luck,
Barry
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Another couple of “essentials” I have are specific to a boat’s design. People don’t think much about this stuff until confronted with it. The galley layout is important. If you’re aboard at anchor in remote areas you’re going to need a functional galley. What this entails is adequate space to keep and use cookware securely in preparing meals, even if the boat is moving about some. These newer models, like the ones you mention, often skimp on this part. There should be room (surface area) for two people to work together in or near the galley. This work space has to be fitted in around the stove, sinks, and the refrigerator access.

One metric is that there is at least enough space to lay down, flat, two cutting boards in the galley work area, each accessible so two can work at the same time, not in each other’s way. They don’t have to be very big. The second is that there is cabinetry of sufficient size and dimension to keep accessible the cookware you will typically use. Think about what you will be fixin’ out there, but don’t think gourmet. Think mostly “one-pot meals” with minimal “steps.” So you’ll need the pots. They must be deep enough to cook and hold the meal, so the cabinet shelving has to be vertically spaced high enough for them to fit in, etc. Stackable (camp style) pots permit a very efficient use of space, but you’ll need other as well. A week-long charter will reveal the needs here. There are, of course, many configurations that will work well enough; you can get by with ‘em. But you want each to permit efficient use. This is not like working in the kitchen at home, etc.

The other is “bunk/berth” length. Not in the sleeping cabins, but in the salon and in the cockpit. I’m kinda short so a bunk of six ft is long enough for me to stretch out in the salon to snooze or rest. Likewise in the cockpit. It has to be straight. So, the fancy “curved” seating areas as in apartment living-room furniture don’t work. You sometimes see this in sailboat cockpits; it is typical of powerboats. A flat, straight, cockpit seat six feet long, or nearly, fits the bill if you wish to rest or sleep in the cockpit. This is sometimes critical for crew who feel too sick or nauseous to go below and need to lay down. You don’t want them on the cockpit floor, etc.
 
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Mar 20, 2011
623
Hunter 31_83-87 New Orleans
In addition to all the great suggestions above in helping perspective buyers determine wants and needs in a boat, as an ASA 103-104 instructor I encourage my class participants who are relatively new to larger cruising type boats to pick up the following book that provides a high level understanding on how boat systems work. Great read and eye opener for beginners.

 

Ferruh

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Nov 15, 2020
18
Hunter 36 Atlantic Hights
We have a 2002 Hunter 356 bought last summer. It's reasonably well made, sails well, access to the internal workings is good and we like it.
One of my qualifications for buying a boat was one that had plenty of support, both parts and knowledge.
I like doing some work and upgrades myself but I'm not into fabricating things from scratch.
You've come to the right place. The community here is great and I've been able to buy parts for 18 year old items easily.
I also wanted something that I could single hand without leaving the cockpit. Good luck!
Thank you Marc, I really like Hunter 36 2005-2009 if I can find a good deal.
 
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