Success Telescopic Mast now being tested now!

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Nov 13, 2013
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Very interesting design and hard work on your part Stargazer, but what about the cost? As far as solving the problem of waiting for the bridge to open, I would think keeping the boat on the other side of the bridges would be my preference but realize some people don't have that option.
 

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As long as your at it, figure out an option to incorporate a reefing system :biggrin:
 
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Jun 25, 2004
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How is it superior to a Gunter rig with a sliding jaw?
That photo shows a less than 20 foot boat. Not a boat with a 40+ foot mast.!?!
I think you’re pulling our leg!
 
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There is a world of difference between a patentable idea and a workable prototype. I'll reserve judgement until the final engineering is completed a practical affordable prototype had been produced.
 
Oct 31, 2012
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This “invention” is somewhat analogous to when NASA spent a million dollars developing the space pen to write in zero gravity. The Russians used a pencil.
Many sailboats designed in Europe have built in mast lowering/raising systems that are quick, simple and bulletproof. A good example is the Polish built Tes, ( but there are many others as well)
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One pull of a pin and the integrated A frame lowers the mast and jib into a crutch at the stern. Even my 2007 Hunter 25 has a mast raising system that only takes a few minutes to rig up.
I’m a fan of the KISS principle and haven’t used my space pen since the gas filled ink cartridge ran out.
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Oct 2, 2008
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In the past I had seen a sailing barge from Europe that had masts able to lower back over the deck. Kinda like building a boat in a bottle. I might have a picture on an old laptop.
 
Sep 20, 2014
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Rob Legg RL24 Chain O'Lakes
Doesn’t that describe most sailboats?
I was thinking if the mast was part way down, and jammed. How about if you are coming in ahead of a storm, and the mast will not retract. The bridge that you need to go under does not raise, and there is no place to dock. You would not have chosen that location for safety if you weren't counting on being able to lower the mast.
 
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I was thinking if the mast was part way down, and jammed. How about if you are coming in ahead of a storm, and the mast will not retract. The bridge that you need to go under does not raise, and there is no place to dock. You would not have chosen that location for safety if you weren't counting on being able to lower the mast.
Well sure. There’s always that!
 
Jun 25, 2004
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All good questions but sorry it's been thought of. The vessel has been given to 6 different people to keep for 12 months to break and punish. The only problem has been the battery connection was loose on one user. I have looked at the weight issue of the mounting plate and its 3.8 lbs of added weight at center or CL. The mast actually will be lighter than the original mast material. Think about the older fishing rods, they were mainly manufactured as solid fiberglass and heavy. Today, are hollow core except where it's needed 3.5" to the tip. still hasn't stopped anyone from catching fish! Personally and professional, I have worked with a lot of Dr. Iwantobees in my career only to be met with their thinking "inside" the box and not out.
Best regards Capt. Rob
How much did the old rig (spars and standing rigging) weigh compared to the new one you’re testing? And how tall is the fully extended mast? Do you have more pics of it sailing and trailering?
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Oct 2, 2008
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What’s the minimum height of the mast. I can think of a bridge in NH that kept me from getting into Great Bay.
 
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Oct 2, 2008
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I was thinking just two sections but with several you could drop the air draft to less than 15 feet. But each section has to be reduced in diameter to collapse so the upper section would be tight with halyards and communication lines.
 
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I've got a couple of professional (rigging engineering) questions about your prototype test rig, Capt Rob, that won't require you to reveal any patent-able or proprietary information.

Have you calculated the transverse and longitudinal moments of inertia for the mast section(s) you are testing? Did you calculate the the RM 30 (or RM20 or stability curve) as well for the boat you are testing?
What material are you using for the extrusion: Aluminum or carbon? How long is the extrusion and how many spreaders are needed for the tested rig. What does it weigh?

Can you share any of that? It won't endanger your intellectual property to share that info.

Judy
 
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Jan 11, 2014
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That's all I can share of this at this time.. Capt. Rob
So, what's the point of sharing any of this? When the patent is granted and you are ready start a business to produce these expensive masts for an extremely limited market, come talk to us or look for funding from Indiegogo, Seedinvest, or the other crowd funding sources. Until you are ready to make this public put your ideas to a real test, you are just blowing smoke and selling snake oil.
 
Aug 3, 2012
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@StargazerP303

How is it superior to a Gunter rig with a sliding jaw?
That photo shows a less than 20 foot boat. Not a boat with a 40+ foot mast.!?!
I think you’re pulling our leg!
There are many more inconsistencies than that. Besides, the photo is a fake.
 
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We are being trolled...
That would be the polite term for it. :biggrin:

Besides, the photo is a fake.
Well that was my thought. A low resolution photo of a distant boat with loose "shrouds" that had sharp corners. Looks photoshopped to me.

Looking forward, we are all going to need lessons on how to detect altered photos and documents.
 
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