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genec

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Dec 30, 2010
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Pacific Seacraft Orion27 HP: San Diego, M: Anacortes
Keep the whistle handy...
I have seen those airhorn cans fail at a critical moment... they look fine, and feel full, but perhaps due to a bump or fall, the actual mechanism doesn't work... and you don't discover that until you need it... BIG TIME.
 
May 1, 2011
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Pearson 37 Lusby MD
I have one at the helm, too. It's a plastic version of the type of whistle a referee might use.
 
Mar 26, 2011
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Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
I really like the air horn. It cannot be mistaken for anything else and is audible over pretty much anything. It has never failed to make a head pop up.

I wouldn't get too hung up on the 5 blasts. They won't understand. It is more important that they are long enough to sound important, not just little toots. Just lay on it for two seconds and repeat. Most likely they'll see you by blast two.
 
Oct 19, 2017
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O'Day 19 Littleton, NH
Where can I get one of those "AH-oo-GA" DIVE, dive", like on subs?
I know someone who use to be in the marine construction industry and owns a small tugboat, about 45'. He wanted to put one of those giant deep droning horns on his tug. The kind you hear in the background on the movies that that shows you are at a working marina and in the fog. He called up a supplier of commercial marine supplies to ask and they told him there were regulations around horn sounds and sizes to match ship size and type. He didn't qualify for such a horn.

-Will (Dragonfly)
 

genec

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Dec 30, 2010
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Pacific Seacraft Orion27 HP: San Diego, M: Anacortes
So, you have a whistle next to the helm. Can you please describe it?
It's flat and really loud... the CG passed them out at the last show I attended. Looks just like this...
 

SG

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Feb 11, 2017
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J/Boat J/160 Annapolis
Don't try that ACR whistle inside without ear protectors. ;^))))
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
The boater reports he Yelled at the motor boat.
It is why I have an air horn in the cockpit at the helm.

I have had the opportunity to use it in anger. I expended all of the pressure in one event. While not saving me it reduced the severity of the event.
Never leave the dock now with out a fresh can at the ready.
 
Nov 26, 2008
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Endeavour 42 Cruisin
Along the lines of the discussion about blame...
Don't make one long blast, 5 blasts would be the proper signal. One long blast would have gotten the sailboat in question into more trouble...any of you colregs readers know why?
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
@gettinthere you are correct. 5 blasts.
In my event during the 7 or so seconds a fishing boat appeared out of the fog 35-50 yards away, I hit 5 blasts. I accelerated and turned away (to Port) from the approaching boat on my starboard quarter. I hit a second 5 blasts. Then I hit the horn. I was opening the gap between us and thought we might just miss. At 2 seconds the boat turned towards me. Then away and struck me. Boat was estimated to be going 30mph in fog.
 
Mar 26, 2011
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Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
Along the lines of the discussion about blame...
Don't make one long blast, 5 blasts would be the proper signal. One long blast would have gotten the sailboat in question into more trouble...any of you colregs readers know why?
I said 2 seconds, but the rule says "rapid," which seems to be interpreted as 1 second with one second between them... unless someone has an exact reference. In retrospect, I think 1 second is about what I have always used. It just seems longer when it is urgent.
 
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Jan 25, 2011
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S2 11.0A Anacortes, WA
Everyone can quote Colregs and armchair what went wrong. Bottom line (IMHO) is it is up to all skippers to be situationally aware and avoid conflicts. Having said that. Avoiding conflicts has to be apparently deliberate. Dont make 5-10 degree changes and waver around a bit. Make “45” degree changes which clearly signal your intent. Even if you have to tack..This is my practice especially dealing with Wa State Ferries. I call it the ferry dance. Speaking of which, I had a unique experience with a ferry a few weeks ago in the san Juans. Motoring east down Harney Channel between Orcas Is and Shaw Is. Both islands have ferry landings almost across from each other. There was a ferry at the Shaw dock and it decided to leave just before I got there. No problem except after departure, I saw prop wash on the bow. It was stopping and reversing direction. I’m right at a place where a sailboat is resting on the bottom from a ferry collision...I could go to stbd toward Shaw, but I think he needs the room to turn. I could go to port and maybe cross his bow if he made the turn. It was a standoff. The ferry cut power and floated and I didn’t know what to do. So, I called the ferry on Seattle traffic and we worked it out. In high commercial traffic areas, I basically quit listening to 16 and listen to traffic. No 16 BS..
 
Sep 20, 2014
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Rob Legg RL24 Chain O'Lakes
"shall be provided with some other means of making an efficient signal."
I wonder if a .308 would qualify?

I do keep a refillable air horn in the cockpit most of the time. The tank is about the size of a coke bottle and is designed to fit in a cup holder. It has a schrader valve for refilling. I don't know how long of a blast the tank will support, but I do know it could be used multiple times before refilling. It is very loud, and has an obnoxious tone - lower than the co2 ones. I've only used it once to clear the beach where I was trying to dock. A quick bump from about 150 feet out cleared everyone out of the way.

The biggest problem I have is that the normal distance that power boats deviate to avoid me is way too late for me to take steps to avoid them. That being said, seeing a power boat on a collision course does not mean I expect a potential collision. Since most boats deviate late, I can only consider them on a collision course if they are about 200 feet away. In all the years I sail on the most busy lake per sq ft in the country, I have only had 1 boat that made me nervous. They were making a big arc. I could only guess where they would end up, as it was impossible to predict their trajectory. They did pass within about 100 ft of my boat. I was trapped between their path and thin water. They were coming up on my tail, which makes avoidance more difficult.

BTY: Wearing the whistle is in case you are MOB, so you don't get run over.
 
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Apr 7, 2016
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Sailboat 35 Sailboat Anchorage
Holy s---! 16 pages worth... lemme sum it up:

1) there was a collision
2) a vessel under sail has stand on
3) lots of power boats are cowboys and sailboats have points to make (us vs them)
4) Because of all the bitterness and fluff, we will probably never actually know what happened.
5) stay out of other people’s shit till there is an investigation and ruling so as not to taint the investigation
6) realize sailboats are always right (ok maybe not always true)
 
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