Edges on Davis radar reflector

Jul 1, 2010
977
Catalina 350 Port Huron
I recently purchased a Davis radar reflector to have on hand for a trip to Maine this summer. The plan is to hoist it on my spreader halyard as needed.

Since I've already cut my hand on the sharp edges on it, I was thinking that it would be a real shame if it put a cut in my new main. I plan on at least sanding the edges some. Does anyone know if wrapping the edges with electrical tape would degrade the performance much?
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
22,290
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Should not. Radar is like an X-ray. Goes right through (for the most point) organic/non metallic stuff. Hits something solid and bounces the signal back towards the transmitter/receiver. Except, when the receiver gain is high some radar signals get bounced back from large amounts of rain/birds/surf. This is often identified as "scatter" and if your receiver is set to "sensitive" it picks up the scatter and images it more like a ghost signal not a "bright" return (think hard/metal surface like your Davis Refector is supposed to provide).
I put my Davis up on the backstay at about 15ft. That and the mast/boat body give a solid reflective signal for radar monitors to see. Being up there means I do not cut myself. It is not contacted by the sail. Only issue is in a strong breeze it will react and will move the backstay. So I get a vibration in the boat. Kind of an early warning that the wind is up and you may want to tie down stuff.
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
I put my Davis up on the backstay at about 15ft. That and the mast/boat body give a solid reflective signal for radar monitors to see. Being up there means I do not cut myself. It is not contacted by the sail. Only issue is in a strong breeze it will react and will move the backstay. So I get a vibration in the boat. Kind of an early warning that the wind is up and you may want to tie down stuff.
Same here. With the, uh, "early warning signal" feature one might want to make sure the anchor is still holding good.

With the reflector mounted on our backstay just above where the lower split backstay (due to the walk-through transom) where it meets the single cable/stay, I mounted it so that the "rain catch position" is vertical. This required drilling a couple holes for each U-bolt. Note that the "rain catch" position doesn't work perfectly for every horizontal angle while under sail because of the boat's heel angle.

My radar is getting along in years, but way back when, another factor to consider is that wet surfaces, and it could be sail cloth (although I don't know this for a fact), reduces the echo return so if the reflector is one one side of the sail from where the other boat's radar is then it won't show up as well. Perhaps high-powered radars like those on ships could penetrate wet sails better? For our trips further north I have thought about adding one of the Plastimo radar tube reflectors to each stay (one port and one starboard) in addition to the Davis backstay one but haven't done it (still thinking about it).

Because of the split backstay, the upper part of the backstay doesn't rotate if just above the split so that's a plus. If it could rotate, as perhaps with a single backstay cable, then the rain catch position wouldn't be assured.

Backstory: I've had two very close encounters with "targets" that didn't show up very well. One being a huge wood barge on a mooring buoy just south of the Tacoma Narrows bridge and this was on a very drizzly and foggy day. Almost T-boned that sucker. The other was at night, drizzly conditions but no fog, up the inside passage, miles from anywhere, where we were almost T-boned by some large wood trawler running with his lights off (again, wet and wood). I'm told they often do this for better visibility.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,693
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I recently purchased a Davis radar reflector to have on hand for a trip to Maine this summer. The plan is to hoist it on my spreader halyard as needed.

Since I've already cut my hand on the sharp edges on it, I was thinking that it would be a real shame if it put a cut in my new main. I plan on at least sanding the edges some. Does anyone know if wrapping the edges with electrical tape would degrade the performance much?
Why would it be getting near your main...?
 
Jun 14, 2010
2,228
Robertson & Caine 2017 Leopard 40 CT
Why would it be getting near your main...?
Perhaps it would chafe if running deep with the main sheet let out? Regardless, I don't think electric tape on the edges would affect radar characteristics. JMHO
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,693
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Perhaps it would chafe if running deep with the main sheet let out? Regardless, I don't think electric tape on the edges would affect radar characteristics. JMHO
With our lowers we'd really have to work at hitting our reflector. Ours is up 24/7 (double catch rain) from launch until haul out never been an issue.... You're right that lectrical tape won't affect performance...
 

RoyS

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Jun 3, 2012
1,742
Hunter 33 Steamboat Wharf, Hull, MA
Mine is on the back stay where the split section joins the single section. In my case I assembled the reflector around that joint and it did not require any modifications or fasteners.
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Jul 12, 2011
1,165
Leopard 40 Jupiter, Florida
I went out for the first cruise of spring on Lake Huron, and being forgetful and out of practice, I did not put up my radar reflector. I wandered into a Michigan 'drizzle storm' (something like a wet fog) at the same time I wandered into a shipping channel. I bounced up to the side deck in 3 ft. chop, and midway through swore that I would mount some type of permanent reflector for next season. I can't afford to mount radar yet, and am considering AIS for next winter. Now that I'm dry and stable again, I looked over my options and found that the narrow tube-like reflectors (e.g. Plastimo) do not give good returns. The larger tubes (Blipper or EchoMaster) seem to be very large. The balls (e.g. Davis) seem nice but difficult to permanently mount. Based on Maine's response above, and his previous posts, it seems he favors the Davis ball, but permanently hoisted. What do you guys recommend for a mid-thirty foot boats in occasional fog / rain conditions?
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
How about some liquid electrical tape around the edges- after cleaning with acetone or such?
 
Jul 1, 2010
977
Catalina 350 Port Huron
Why would it be getting near your main...?
It really shouldn't...just call me paranoid. The Seaward does have swept back spreaders, so it is possible, though I would probably have to do something stupid for that to happen. I'm not beyond that, though. :) I'll likely tape the edges anyway just to calm my paranoia.
Thanks for all the responses.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
By the time your main sail contacts the Davis radar ball it will already be rubbing on the shrouds and spreaders. Not a good practice. Hoist the radar ball as directed via a flag halyard attached to your lower spreader. Tie a stabilizing loop to an inside shroud. Your mast provides a poor radar return - need sharp edges and flat metallic surfaces. Even then, I find I have to be close to get a good return. Few hundred yards. Don't assume you are being seen.