Head Venting Issues

BayMan

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Sep 12, 2012
203
Hunter 450 Unspecified
Pumped my aft 25 gal holding tank after it was completely full. I know- i waited too long. Got back to my slip and the tank level shows full (99.99% sure it's not) and bowl gurgles, burps and refills part way after flushing (Jabsco manual head). I believe the issue is the vent. Tried to clean it out hanging over the side on a bosuns chair but don't think I did much. Bowl refills a little less. My next idea is to blow air into the vent hole from a shop vac (first method) or air compressor (extreme method) to push the vent obstruction into the tank, then pump it again. Good idea? I would really hate to burst that vent line with too much pressure.
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,244
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
you could also burst your tank with air pressure...better use a water hose like peggie hall recommends and back flush the vent
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
You will need Level D PPE, full face protection. :yikes::yikes::yikes:Clear the dock of all unnecessary personnel. o_Oo_Oo_O Place absorbent rags around the waste deck plate. Slowly, 1/4 turn at a time release the waste deck plate. Remove the deck plate and drop the suction end of a positive displacement (manual bilge pump) into the waste tank and draw it down. Then start working on the vent line to clear it. Tough lesson you learned here, but it only gets tougher if think you can strong arm the situation with your head pump.
 

BayMan

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Sep 12, 2012
203
Hunter 450 Unspecified
Nice Terry. Tell me about that special adapter for the vent opening. I did not get low enough to look up into the vent but it appears to have a screen. Peggy says they cause more problems than they solve. Anyone know the trick to removing them?
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Any adapter used to flush the vent will once more pressurize your waste tank. You feeling lucky?
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
[QUOTE"]...it appears to have a screen. Peggy says they cause more problems than they solve. Anyone know the trick to removing them?[/QUOTE]

Take out that thru-fitting and put in a regular "mushroom" type thruhull fitting- with hose barb. Any fitting will reduced the effective hose diameter somewhat. If doable, replace the entire vent system and go to a larger size. Double the I.D. size, and it is 4 times more cross section area.
 

BayMan

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Sep 12, 2012
203
Hunter 450 Unspecified
That sounds fun Gunni. So I draw out a few gallons the hard way to clear the tank end of the vent tube before clearing the vent plug? But now I have a bucket of nasty stuff that I need to get rid of somewhere.
 

JamesG161

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Feb 14, 2014
8,019
Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
My next idea is to blow air into the vent hole from a shop vac (first method) or air compressor (extreme method) to push the vent obstruction into the tank, then pump it again. Good idea?
:badbad:

I found a mud dobber nest in my vent, so with a tapered hose nozzle outside, we soaked, washed, soaked, washed. until it was clear (about 30 minutes).

With the Jabsco Head..
Flip the switch to "Dry bowl" (or to the right) and try to empty the bowl by pumping. If you can't it is plugged discharged line or more likely FULL HOLD tank.

When out at legal limits , use your macerator and listen to it. When it changes to a high speed whine, tank is empty. Then try the "Dry Bowl" flush again. You can actually "empty bowl" pump air to simulate venting your tank, when vent is plugged. Pain in the azz (pun intended).

Another way (PITA), pull up your deck boards over the tank, unscrew the level sensor, put in handy bucket (call me if yours is WEMA) to see tank level and tank is now vented. Wash tank, back flow thru RV removal line , then suck out, repeat 3 times, flush sensor ( I check my 8" sensor in a bucket of water), then flush back through your vent line to visually verify it is clear. I do this on my spring preparation list.
Jim...

PS: I replaced my OEM hold tank sensor with their modern SS one (mine 8") $85.
http://www.wemausa.com/sensors/level-HoldingTank.shtml#.V1RhxVfTQo9
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
That sounds fun Gunni. So I draw out a few gallons the hard way to clear the tank end of the vent tube before clearing the vent plug? But now I have a bucket of nasty stuff that I need to get rid of somewhere.
Hey, I never said it would be fun. And when you get that bucket full of honey you will know exactly how glad you are not to be one of those guys with a portapotty looking for a dump site! There is so much "experience" contained in this problem! Congratulations!
 
Dec 2, 1997
9,011
- - LIttle Rock
Pumped my aft 25 gal holding tank after it was completely full. I know- i waited too long. Got back to my slip and the tank level shows full (99.99% sure it's not) and bowl gurgles, burps and refills part way after flushing (Jabsco manual head). I believe the issue is the vent.
Yep...you have a blocked vent, and because you do, your tank IS still full. ALWAYS watch the sight glass in the dock pumpout hose to make sure it continues to pull waste out till the tank is really empty, cease pumpout immediately if it only pulls out a little. You're lucky it wasn't strong enough to implode your tank.

The two most common locations for a vent blockage are the thru-hull and the other end of the vent line...both that end of the hose and the vent fitting on the tank.You need to clean out the thru-hull first...find a place to park the boat that will let you do that standing on the dock. You said there's a screen in the vent...knock it out--screens are spark arresters, needed on fuel vents but cause more problems than solve on waste tank vents--then use a screwdriver blade to scrape out the thru-hull.
If the only blockage is in the thru-hull (unlikely on a sailboat), waste may spew out it once you've relieved the pressure, so you'll want to be standing to the side while you scrape it out. However, unless you've used the toilet again, opening the pumpout cap to pump out the tank has already relieved the pressure.

Now you're ready to clean out the other end of the vent...remove the hose from the tank...scrape out the hose and the tank vent fitting...reconnect the vent line to the tank. Final step: stick a hose nozzle up against the vent thru-hull--which is open now that the screen is gone--and backflush the line (this is not likely accomplish anything if you do it before scraping out the thru-hull and the other end of the line). To keep the vent clear, backflush it every time you wash the boat....prevention is ALWAYS easier than cure!

As for the rest of the advice you got....
Take out that thru-fitting and put in a regular "mushroom" type thruhull fitting
Knocking the screen out of his existing vent fitting makes that unnecessary unless/until he's ready to replace it and the vent line--which would require a new larger tank fitting (which isn't hard to do)--with a larger one, 'cuz now that it's open, it can be backflushed.

You will need Level D PPE, full face protection. :yikes::yikes::yikes:Clear the dock of all unnecessary personnel. o_Oo_Oo_O Place absorbent rags around the waste deck plate....
Overkill and most likely unnecessary because you've already relieved the pressure when you pumped out...

With the Jabsco Head..
Flip the switch to "Dry bowl" (or to the right) and try to empty the bowl by pumping. If you can't it is plugged discharged line or more likely FULL HOLD tank.
There's a right way, a wrong way, and what some guy has gotten away with...James, you are that guy! Don't even THINK of doing that--or anything else you suggested--no matter what the toilet is, 'cuz that will only pressurize the tank, which can burst it, or--if you're lucky--only create enough back pressure for the waste to erupt in your face while you're pumping the toilet. And urine will eat through a metal internal waste tank sender, but not until after you had to remove it to clean it a couple of times.
 
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BayMan

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Sep 12, 2012
203
Hunter 450 Unspecified
Thanks all. Let me figure out how to access the tank and vent line there and then I'll have to get my hands dirty- literally. Ill report back on my progress/results.
 
Dec 25, 2000
6,052
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Nice Terry. Tell me about that special adapter for the vent opening. I did not get low enough to look up into the vent but it appears to have a screen. Peggy says they cause more problems than they solve. Anyone know the trick to removing them?
Our 1991 P42 came equipped with vent scuppers like this one:
http://www.cquip.com/images/prod/10A-86697_2.jpg

Some do not like this device for holding tank vents; too small, etc. Rather than change ours I decided to accommodate what we have. So, I rounded up a garden hose shower nozzle like the following that we had laying around the house:
http://images.orgill.com/200x200/6824544.JPG

I removed the screen, glued on a foam seal (cut from an old closed cell camping pad) around the rim so that it gave a good seal when pressed against the hull. The shower nozzle housing is large enough to cover the scupper fitting.

Some might say that what I have devised is too rudimentary, but I figure if it has worked for the past 15 years of cruising, I'll settle for those comments.

Perhaps a larger holding tank vent scupper would work better, new sails would work better, too. So would a new boat, but I'm happy with what we have and above all our original electric heads and SS holding tank with fuel scupper vent still work superbly, IMHO.

Just scrubbed Belle-Vie's top side and canvas bimin and dodger this weekend; she is chomping at the bit.
 
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Dec 25, 2000
6,052
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
BTW, your profile says US, Unspecified. Never heard of that marina. Just say'n.
 

Gene S

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Nov 29, 2015
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Delphia 37 Tacoma
Mine has a screen and was very corroded. Why do they put a cover over the vent that makes it look aerodynamic? I drilled right through the cover and screen. Problem solved. May not have been right but it works. I plan to change it this season.
 
Dec 25, 2000
6,052
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
The screen on ours is SS and I think placed their by the maker to keep critters from nesting inside. The one that Hunter used for all the scuppers is a fuel vent scupper. Seems to work okay, but too small according to some views.
 

Pat

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Jun 7, 2004
1,250
Oday 272LE Ninnescah Yacht Club, Wichita, Ks.
Our hose from the tank to the vent always remains clear but the vent itself becomes filled with mud dobber nests and assorted
critter memberabilia. Did I spell that correctly ? I think not....but the vent works great and thus, the pump-out is successful.
Patrick ....thanks to Peggy