Rudder Repair?

Feb 7, 2015
20
Hunter 31 Holland, MI
I have an '87 Hunter 31 that I purchased a year ago. The surveyor's moisture detector read high on a spot about the size of a softball about 1/4 of the way from the top of the rudder. He suggested I get it repaired. So, question is, is this really critical? If yes, won't it require removal of the rudder to do it right? If so, I can't find anything on how to get it off the boat. Help!
 
Jan 7, 2011
5,700
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
I have an '87 Hunter 31 that I purchased a year ago. The surveyor's moisture detector read high on a spot about the size of a softball about 1/4 of the way from the top of the rudder. He suggested I get it repaired. So, question is, is this really critical? If yes, won't it require removal of the rudder to do it right? If so, I can't find anything on how to get it off the boat. Help!
I can't help you with dropping the rudder, but I think the answer is certainly YES that you need to get the moisture out. Not sure if you are in heated storage in Holland, but if you leave water in there, it will freeze and split the rudder.

My O'Day 322 had a repair done to the rudder by the PO. Looks like he drilled into the rudder to get the water out (maybe cut a piece of the skin off) and then filled the hole with epoxy. Surveyor pointed out the patch to me, but did not find high moisture readings in the rudder.

Greg
 

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Mar 1, 2008
166
Hunter 34 Milwaukee
I don't know what others think but I have been advised to drill a couple of holes in my bottom of my rudder to let it drain every year when on the hard. I have done this on my last two boats and have experienced no problems with the rudder splitting. A lot of guys do this in the frozen tundra area.
 
Jun 3, 2004
890
Hunter 34 Toronto, Ontario Canada
The holes are a good idea. When I bought my boat 13 years ago, it had a bulge on the stbd side of the rudder about 2/3 of the way up, about the size and shape of a football. I cut out the cracked glass and ground out the stained foam down to the white- about an inch- tapered the sides and built up the hole with matting and epoxy. Wrapped the whole rudder in a layer of cloth and epoxy, then sanded. Drilled two 1/4 inch holes in the bottom and filled with bedding compound or silicone- what ever I have aboard. At haulout I re-drill the holes and fill again before launch. Have had no more problems. I also caulked around the top where the shaft goes into the rudder to try and waterproof that.
 
Sep 8, 2014
2,551
Catalina 22 Swing Keel San Diego
Are you on the hard right now? I'm assuming if a moisture reading was taken it was on the hard at the time, but that could have been last year when you purchased. Anyway, since its still cold in your neck of the woods I am assuming you have some time left before you'll be getting into spring sailing (maybe). If you are a handy guy this shouldn't be a hard repair as long your boat is on the hard and you can take the rudder off. I'm not familiar with exactly how your particular boat has its rudder post secured, but if its like most boats that size then it should be relatively simple. I've attached a link to a forum post on the repair to a Hunter 27 rudder; this repair is much more extensive than what you might need but it gives you some good insight;
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/gear-maintenance/62964-hunter-27-rudder-repair.html
- Take your rudder off and take it home if you can to work in a garage or shop.
- Scrape and sand off any bottom paint, use a sander that has a dust port to attach a shop vac (virtually no mess) and use a mask! Really clean off all the old paint, but not necessary to take off all the gelcoat.
- Drill some 5/16" holes in the high moisture area, hopefully the surveyor circled it for you. Drill some holes just below it as well and on both sides of the rudder. The holes do not have to go all the through rudder.
- Be mindful of the rudder post and internal skeleton, try to avoid drilling there. You might be able to find a drawing online to help you locate areas to avoid. If you feel your drill bit hit metal, stop! You won't hurt anything by touching metal with the drill bit, you'll just burn up bits if you keep pushing.
- Drill a few holes upward from the bottom, they don't have to be deep, maybe just half the bit length... be mindful of where the metal is as mentioned above. Hang the rudder vertical by the post.
- Your rudder needs to dry out.... for weeks... even months, depending on how much moisture is in the foam core. The BEST way to speed up this process safely is having it in a small room that stays relatively warm and use a dehumidifier! If you use a wood stove for home heating this also dries out the air well also. In a pinch you can use a space heater but watch it closely and don't burn your house down. Using a dehumidifier allows you to monitor how much water collects in the catch bin.
- After awhile drying out you can have the moisture test again, that's the best way to be sure... but really if you allow it at least 4 weeks, 6 if you can, in a space that is kept warm and very dry it will probably be dried out well.
- Fill the holes with epoxy resin. Apply a barrier coat, a 1 quart kit of Interlux Interprotect 2000 will do the job, roll on as many coats as you can get with 1/4" nap roller and use up the whole quart. As an alternative you can use 2 or 3 coats of epoxy resin as a barrier coat. Hot-coat it so you don't have to sand between coats. Prep-sand for smoothness and apply your bottom paint... Done, and you should never have rudder moisture issues again.
 
Feb 7, 2015
20
Hunter 31 Holland, MI
Wow, thanks for all the great info. Yes, I am on the hard yet and hope to attempt removing the rudder this weekend. Thanks again!!!
 
Jun 3, 2004
890
Hunter 34 Toronto, Ontario Canada
I did my rudder repair with the rudder on. My first plan was to dig a hole under the rudder while on the hard and drop it out. Our boat yard ( parking lot in summer) is on land fill. I got down about 6" when I hit a large piece of sidewalk. That changed the plan.
 
Jun 1, 2009
1,845
Hunter 49 toronto
I don't know what others think but I have been advised to drill a couple of holes in my bottom of my rudder to let it drain every year when on the hard. I have done this on my last two boats and have experienced no problems with the rudder splitting. A lot of guys do this in the frozen tundra area.
On my 40.5 I put in a threaded fitting, and installed a removable drain plug. This ended up being a great idea, because water came out every fall. Not sure how it got in, but draining it kept it from cracking & freezing
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,644
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
You could weigh the rudder before and after drying to help see how much water has evaporated. I remain skeptical how much will actually drip out of a weep hole. Maybe enough to not freeze and crack the rudder. But to dry the foam and protect the metal structure from corrosion? I'm doubtful.
 
Feb 7, 2015
20
Hunter 31 Holland, MI
We made the decision to remove the rudder. But wow, can't figure out how to do that. Nothing on the internet that I can find. Anyone have a drawing or video out there? Thanks!