General Advise - Sailing NE Coast October

rjm

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Sep 13, 2015
6
Hunter 40 Legend Annapolis
I've recently purchased a 1987 H40 Legend in the Penobscot Bay area and am planning to sail it south to the Chesapeake in early October. Most of my sailing experience in the Annapolis area with a few days in more open water.

I was looking for any advice on transiting the Gulf of Maine, Cape Cod Canal, and the open leg south of Naragansett Bay to Cape May. Any advise on what to look out for in terms of weather patterns, tides, good heavy weather anchorages if needed, and handling of the H40 are welcome.

Cheers
 
Jun 4, 2004
255
Hunter 376 Annapolis MD
It is very different from sailing in the Annapolis area. For example, you will have to pay attention to the tides and currents which one normally ignores in the Annapolis area. I've sailed in both areas ( as well as across the north pacific, etc ). I suggest that you have someone experienced with you the first time.

allan
 
Mar 11, 2009
200
Hunter 40 Saint John
I too own a wonderful H40 Legend. She is an awesome boat and congratulations...
Now I have also just been down the Maine Coast and Bay Of Fundy Region. First and foremost, I would suggest NOT doing any sailing past sunset. Right now the lobster season is in full swing, and I can tell you without a doubt, the lobster pots are every 6-10 feet apart in any inshore area, even on the outside of inland the lobster pots are quite frequent and DEMAND all your visual attention, which doesn't make for a fun day on the water.
Another thing, if you are having strong SW'ly winds, and obviously heading uop into them, you may not want to use your Main Sail. With this boat, the main usually has one objective, and that is to heal you over hard, you will not get any speed advantage out of the main. Which sounds foolish, but true... Save yourself the hassel and fly the Genoa only, like I said if you have 20-25 KTS... Hope this helps!!!!!
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
I too own a wonderful H40 Legend. She is an awesome boat and congratulations...

Another thing, if you are having strong SW'ly winds, and obviously heading uop into them, you may not want to use your Main Sail. With this boat, the main usually has one objective, and that is to heal you over hard, you will not get any speed advantage out of the main. Which sounds foolish, but true... Save yourself the hassel and fly the Genoa only, like I said if you have 20-25 KTS... Hope this helps!!!!!
Wow, how "wonderful" can that be? Can't sail or motorsail to weather with main up in 20-25 kt w/o excessive healing? Try reefing; or dropping the traveler, tensioning the backstay, tensioning the outhaul, and/or applying cunningham.
 
Dec 23, 2010
6
MacGregor 26X Warwick Neck, RI
Penobscot Bay is certainly one of the most pristine area’s to sail. We just returned from a 2 week trip on our Mac 26X. We launched in Rockland and sailed via Vinalhaven, Deer Island to Northeast Harbor and back via Eggemoggin Reach and Camden. This was our 5th year doing this. I agree with the statements above but would add that fog is frequent and can be very intense. Certainly, in the bay the constant danger of snatching a lobster buoy is very real (no big deal on a Mac, but a significant problem with a keel boat, particularly if you get your prop fouled which is a very common issue). The prevailing wind is SW which means most likely lots of motor sailing if under time constraint. Depending when you want to make the trip, it can be very cold that time of year. The ocean is very cold so no warming effect in the fall as you have in southern New England. Feel free to contact me if you need crew. I might have some time in October. You may contact me at hartvandermeer@gmail.com
 
Mar 11, 2009
200
Hunter 40 Saint John
Wow, how "wonderful" can that be? Can't sail or motorsail to weather with main up in 20-25 kt w/o excessive healing? Try reefing; or dropping the traveler, tensioning the backstay, tensioning the outhaul, and/or applying cunningham.
Its Not that you can't, it that it pays you no homage to have your main up and worrying about it, because you get no further ahead....Keep it simple stupid ( K.I.S.S) theory...
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Its Not that you can't, it that it pays you no homage to have your main up and worrying about it, because you get no further ahead....Keep it simple stupid ( K.I.S.S) theory...
Motorsailing under mainsail in high wind when you're by yourself can be worrisome at times, I concur. I mostly worry about dropping it if it starts to flog, or getting it down and secured, etc., for any other urgent reason. Deployment/recovery of the genny is certainly easier, but you can carry the mainsail on a much higher course (i.e., apparent wind more forward) than the genny if motorsailing and I do believe there is generally some benefit, such as greater speed through the water however slight, not present when motoring without it. I was responding more to your comment about excessive heeling being a deterrent.
 
Apr 27, 2010
1,279
Hunter 23 Lake Wallenpaupack
I assume you'll be transiting into the Delaware and then through the C&D canal. Not sure if you have experience there; if not, there are some good web sites that help calculate the closest you can get to a balance between the helping or hindering tidal currents in the bay and also the canal.
 
Oct 1, 2007
1,865
Boston Whaler Super Sport Pt. Judith
I've recently purchased a 1987 H40 Legend in the Penobscot Bay area and am planning to sail it south to the Chesapeake in early October. Most of my sailing experience in the Annapolis area with a few days in more open water.

I was looking for any advice on transiting the Gulf of Maine, Cape Cod Canal, and the open leg south of Naragansett Bay to Cape May. Any advise on what to look out for in terms of weather patterns, tides, good heavy weather anchorages if needed, and handling of the H40 are welcome.

Cheers
Hi RJM:

I will try to add to advice given above. Personally, I have made the direct sail round trip from Pt Judith RI to Camden and return 3 times. I have also made the same trip harbor hopping another 6 times. I also lived Down East for six years so I have logged a fair amount of miles under the keel in the waters between RI and Cutler over the years. With that background I would offer the following:

1. As pointed out by another above, I do not underestimate the challenge presented by lobster trap buoys, especially between Penobscot Bay and the NH/ME border, but also further south. In some areas they are a nuisance and require watching but in other areas they are a serious hazard to navigation, especially to sailboats like yours and mine. You may be transiting one of the worst I have seen in the southwest region of Penobscot Bay off Tenants Harbor and south. There was a thread I started 3-4 years ago to which many other guys posted describing the lobster buoy threat and how to think about them. Search for it and read it. It may be helpful. Also I personally would not transit this area or any other areas off the Maine Coast after dark when the floats are not easily seen. I am prepared with wet suit/mask/etc and sharp knives. I have a device installed on my shaft for cutting the lines. Since your new boat is a Maine boat, it may already have such installed.

2. For the same reason and others, I avoid any landfalls in Maine after dark. On the trips I have made we always times the passage to arrive after sunrise.

3. The eastern entrance of the Cape Cod Canal is about 150 nm from Camden. What we have done in the past, and what I would do today if making that passage, is first of all have good crew and depart Camden at first light hoping to have a favorable current down Penobscot Bay and lay out a track for the canal, avoiding such obstacles as Isle of Shoals and Boon Island, and keeping well off Cape Ann because of current and of course, lobster traps. And of course I would want a weather window with nothing out of the East or anything big south for 2-3 days. The Gulf of Maine can work up pretty well in a big SW or especially in a big E or NE breeze. As this is a delivery and not a cruise, I would plan to power most if not all of the trip as the prevailing winds north of Gloucester are generally light, dropping to nothing at nightfall. With your boat you should be able to make 6 knots over the bottom for landfall at the canal the following morning. This is what I would do and doesn't mean that it would work for you with your equipment and experience. Also I would not make his trip without radar as there is shipping and fishing boats along the entire route, and plenty of fog.

4. You MUST transit the CCC with favorable current. It runs as much as 6 knots in the canal and you have never seen a more miserable sight than a medium size sailboat laboring against the current. Ugh! The canal is controlled and they monitor CH 13, although yachts under 65 ft don't need to check in. I always hail Canal Control before entering just to ask what is coming the other way and whether the railroad bridge is to be lowered anytime soon. Sometimes they answer, and sometimes they don't. There is a nice harbor right at the East end of the canal called the Sandwich Marina if you need to wait for a favorable tide. Groceries and good restaurants walking distance. Call for a reservation. I have also anchored to the west of the entrance to wait. One last tidbit on the canal is that if there s a big southerly blowing in Buzzards Bay, as there often is, the west end of the canal is a maelstrom of strong current opposing a stiff breeze. Very rough and ugly.

Many good harbors in Buzzards Bay are available after transiting the canal.

That's all for now. Hope this helps. Feel free to PM me with questions via email.

Rick
 
Feb 6, 2009
257
Hunter 40 Camano Island
If you have a smaller jib in the bag,,,, say a 105,

that 20 to 25 kts ( true) and 4-6 ft seas can be quite comfortable without all the work that the main on the H40 has. you will have a little over 5 kts of boat speed 50 degrees off the wind. With 30 kts apparent upwind.. main is not going to smooth the ride.