So you have a charging problem, may not be the alternator!

Aug 24, 2015
36
Hunter 50 AC Racine, WI

So it’s finally the weekend and you are at the boat , readyfor another relief from the daily stress and grind. Then you find that youstart your boat and it’s not charging and you say to yourself, “that darnalternator”!

Here is my story that I am confident will help fellowboaters lose less sleep and understand their pride and joy much better.

I currently own a Hunter 50 sailboat that has a Yanmar 110HPengine that came from the factory with an Electro-Maax alternator. I wasunaware that Hunter had made this switch from the previous manufacturer but Iwas told this one is much better. Yea, right…The first week in the water wewent through an alternator belt, so the dealer installs another alternatorbelt. This one lasted 2 weeks. So the dealer wants to replace the alternator asthat “must” be the problem! In the meantime I made a call to the folks atElectro-Maax. I explained the issue and right away they knew the problem. Sincetheir alternator’s output was much higher than the previous manufacturer, theamount of torques placed on a single “V” belt was more than the belt couldhandle. Solution-install serpentine beltwith serpentine pulleys. John from Electro-Maax sent out the new parts straightaway. Parts were a direct fit with no adjustments needed. Start the engine,full output and no belt slippage whatsoever! In fact John told me that theyrecommended to Hunter, that on this size boat with this size alternator, theserpentine items should be standard. I believe that they are now.

This all happened over 3 years ago and the alternator hasperformed flawlessly. UNTIL -a few weeks ago when the alternator stoppedcharging all together, zero amps. Once again, “that darn alternator”! I let theservice people know at my marina and they told me that the alternator needed tobe replaced. So before they could replace, I asked to have it tested to makesure that it was indeed not charging. In the meantime, I called John again fromElectro-Maax. John and I have started to get to know each other a bit from theboat shows and he is ALWAYS willing to assist in any projects. He is a pleasureto speak with and has no problem offering his expertise. So I tell him thealternator is not charging, he tells me to look at the alternator and “smell”the alternator. If the windings are still copper colored and the alternatordoes not smell “burnt”, the problem is NOT the alternator. Meantime my servicepeople are getting ready to replace the alternator. So the copper looked like copper and thealternator did not smell burnt. I phone John and tell him this, he states thatit must be a bad battery, connection etc. and then he recalls that there was aHunter 50 at the Annapolis boat show that also stopped charging. He and thedealer swapped out the alternator and guess what? It still was not charging!There are a couple of fuses located behind the panel where the battery switchis located and one of them was blown. (Picture provided). If the alternatorcannot see the voltage of the batteries, it does not know to charge or not tocharge. They replaced the fuse and the alternator started to charge again, Johnwas right, alternator was not the problem. So John shares this story with meand I advise the service person to check the fuses. He takes the panel off andthe fuses are both good(there are two and they are called terminal fusesavailable at West Marine). Located rightnext to the fuses is the battery switch and guess what? When he touched theback of the switch (you know that big red heavy duty dial that you turn), itliterally fell apart in his hand! He replaced the battery switch and guesswhat????? That darn alternator started to charge once again!!

Fellow boaters, please take the time to check everything! Analternator just does not go bad, especially when it is only 3 years old. In mycase it was a switch that the service guy has NEVER seen fall apart like that,but it did. The alternator did not know if the batteries needed charging or notas it could not see the voltage so it did not charge to prevent any damage. Hopefullyyou enjoyed my story and it will help some of you in the future, when in doubt,don’t condemn, test, test, TEST! Don’tbe afraid to pick up the phone and speak with John at Electro-Maax, they areglad to help and if is an alternator you need, they supply the best out there.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,344
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Re: So you have a charging problem, may not be the alternato

Very nice story, thanks for sharing.

What this entire CONCEPT requires, from the skipper, is an understanding of the system on the boat. John may not always be available by phone.

I've often recommended that folks with boats, and especially folks with new (out of the box, not only new-to-them) boats, start doing some detective work BEFORE the SHTF.

Good luck.
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,233
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
Re: So you have a charging problem, may not be the alternato

Thanks for sharing. And Stu, you are absolutely correct.

It is very easy to jump at the first available conclusion when confronted with a problem. Careful examination of all the clues will provide the most correct solution.

However, you must be aware of all the parts of the problem. In this case the failed switch is probably an unusual failure. In the other case, the owner needed to know that the fuses even existed in addition to their location. We don't always have all the information that we need to do intelligent troubleshooting.
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
85 amps.

I have read several times in various places, that an 85 amp alternator is reaching the upper limits of a single V drive belt. I remember many years ago, my dad bought a new Dodge, one of the earlier models with factory AC. To keep up with the energy requirements, it had a much larger alternator than usual. What I remember most about this was it had twin V belts, which at the time amazed me.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,344
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I have read several times in various places, that an 85 amp alternator is reaching the upper limits of a single V drive belt.
One must be careful taking these types of "takeaways" literally.

The load on the belt will be determined by the load placed upon the alternator's regulator, which, in turn, is based upon the battery bank(s) that need to be charged. The larger the bank and the lower the SOC, the larger the load on ANY alternator, due to battery acceptance.

A small house bank with an 85A alternator may not load the alternator past even 50% of its capabilities.

A large house bank could well load up a 120A alternator.

One needs to understand the system to determine belt loads.

In general, however, that's not a bad starting point.

I have a 390 ah bank with a 100A alternator on a single belt. I MANAGE my alternator output with my external regulator when the SOC of the house bank is low.
 
Jan 25, 2011
2,439
S2 11.0A Anacortes, WA
One must be careful taking these types of "takeaways" literally. The load on the belt will be determined by the load placed upon the alternator's regulator, which, in turn, is based upon the battery bank(s) that need to be charged. The larger the bank and the lower the SOC, the larger the load on ANY alternator, due to battery acceptance. A small house bank with an 85A alternator may not load the alternator past even 50% of its capabilities. A large house bank could well load up a 120A alternator. One needs to understand the system to determine belt loads. In general, however, that's not a bad starting point. I have a 390 ah bank with a 100A alternator on a single belt. I MANAGE my alternator output with my external regulator when the SOC of the house bank is low.
Stu, what regulator are you using?
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Stu

while I agree with everything you said, I was referring to the max output and belt size. Many do not have your knowledge or equipment.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,344
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
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while I agree with everything you said, I was referring to the max output and belt size. Many do not have your knowledge or equipment.
Actually that's a much better way to put it. :dance::dance::dance:

None of us were born electricians. :):):)
 
Jan 25, 2011
2,439
S2 11.0A Anacortes, WA
Mark, Balmar MC-612, it's been working great for over 10 years. Current version is the MC-614.
Hijacking the thread, wondering why this one over the ARS-5? Vascillating between the two without full knowledge (yet)...
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,344
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Regulator choice

Hijacking the thread, wondering why this one over the ARS-5?

Vascillating between the two without full knowledge (yet)...
Mark,

Maine Sail has commented on this any number of times, he may even have done a whole post on it.

Here's one:

http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?p=1076117&highlight=MC-614

Basically, the extra features on the MC are worth the few extra $$s

If you haven't yet, just download the two manuals from www.balmar.net and see.