Fids

Oct 2, 2008
3,811
Pearson/ 530 Strafford, NH
Hi all,

I wanted to do some soft shackles after reading several posts here on the topic and I needed to replace the lines to the davit arm that lowers my outboard to the dinghy. The local marine supply store had some short Dyneema 12 strand lines in their reduced bin so I couldn't resist. I picked up some 3/16 and 1/4 inch for the project. Now here's where my thinking got me into trouble. I wanted to make some splices and the Animated knots guide showed using hollow fids. Hmmmmm, OK I'll get one.

Sorry I had to get a tissue because I'm crying already. My simple thinking was buy a fid that the lines would fit into. OK 1/4 inch was too small, same for the 3/16. There wasn't a 3/8 on the shelf, probably the most popular, so I bought a 7/16. The 1/4 inch line fit into the hollow if you squeezed it in tightly. No matter I brought it home.

Following the instruction guide I began an eye splice for line in the davit blocks. Sliding the tail through the middle of the line worked well so I was pleased. However when it came to burying the tail, well of course the 7/16 wouldn't fit. :cussing: Back to the store the next day and I see the 3/8 fid on the shelf. They must have restocked because there were two and my thinking was they are the most popular. Yeah, I bought it. :dance:

Back home and burying the tail was a chore even with the smaller fid. This can't be right because the 1/4 inch line wouldn't squeeze into the hollow of the 3/8 fid. :cussing: Well now the BP is rising and I needed a solution. I did a search here and found a thread with the homemade coat-hanger-wire fid. I'll make one.

An hour later I tried my homemade tool. I lost the tail several times even with electrical tape holding the end. Now I'm hot enough for my wife to go visit the neighbors. There must be some wisdom on line so I sat there and watched many videos of riggers using the wire tool. There it was, tapper the end slightly and pull it through. I followed from the end 6 strands and pulled a pair of threads out and again at 10 strands doing the same.

I crimped the end of the wire tool tight then placed the tapered end inside. The tail slid through without any tape holding the tail. :dance: So now I'm thinking the hollow fids would work if I tapered the tails slightly before stuffing them in the hollow. Yep, no problems. So armed with three new tools I was able to make several eye splices and the soft shackle Brummel Knots. The Lanyard knot on the soft shackles were a problem but I retied them till I got them right.

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Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Great job! The eye draws on the opposite end of your splices are what I use to make splices in braid. Just go right on down the line with your fid alternately drawing each end back through each other into what will look like a figure eight, only repeat until you have about 4 draw throughs. Chief
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Sorta like 3 strand except with the 2 "strand" braid your pushing each one alternately through each other. Looks great and strong too. Chief
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,650
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
Fid

I've used ink pins or pieces of them with great success. Also caps off of syringes which come in all sorts of sizes. I have seen guys use stiff plastic pipe (the kind for supply lines or icemaker for the fridge) as well.

Not sure what would work for your particular line but do not limit yourself to store bought made for fids.
 
Sep 8, 2014
2,551
Catalina 22 Swing Keel San Diego
Nice looking work... I can't wait to get my Fids and do all my splices in my new rigging. I bought all my new sheets and halyards when the big box marine store was running a 40% off bulk rope sail on Memorial Day weekend.
It sounds like a chore to some to do all the splicing but for me I look forward to the chance to practice and improve my Marlin Spike Seamanship, and finally getting to re-rigging is a major milestone to getting my boat back in the water!
 
Jan 30, 2012
1,154
Nor'Sea 27 "Kiwanda" Portland/ Anacortes
Here is a slightly different way to do it. I think this is called Kohlhoff style. I like it because opening the 'noose' is much easier. And there is no bury - you just make the noose and go directly to the knot termination - usually a diamond (lanyard) knot.

Here is an article concerning these shackles. http://l-36.com/high_strength_soft_shackle.php. Evans Starzinger has tied up an even stronger termination knot.

3/16 Amsteel Blue fails at about 5500 pounds. Plenty for most things.

Once you use these you end up using them everywhere - jib sheets, suspending boat hooks, whisker pole, anchor snubber to chain connection, gybe preventer to deck fitting, shore power cable suspension at the slip. Super gifts for your friends and those you meet while cruising.


Charles
 

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Sep 6, 2010
1,297
Jeanneau 349 port washington, ny
Dont bury the rope in the fid. Just tape it tight.
 
Oct 2, 2008
3,811
Pearson/ 530 Strafford, NH
Dont bury the rope in the fid. Just tape it tight.
I'd have to go back and buy a 1/4 fid.

The video guy from New England Ropes used a pusher, thin rod with a handle to pass the fid through. Easy enough to make.

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Oct 2, 2008
3,811
Pearson/ 530 Strafford, NH
Here is a slightly different way to do it. I think this is called Kohlhoff style. I like it because opening the 'noose' is much easier. And there is no bury - you just make the noose and go directly to the knot termination - usually a diamond (lanyard) knot.

Charles
Hi Charles,

I followed the link and the Button Knot has the two ends buried into the line. I've seen my wife tie this knot in our sheets without even looking. Takes hours to undo them. :Liar:

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Jan 30, 2012
1,154
Nor'Sea 27 "Kiwanda" Portland/ Anacortes
Right - but the real advantage is no bury between the noose and the terminal knot. As for the terminal a diamond knot - which is easy by the way - is plenty strong enough.

Anyway - this stuff is fun and the results are useful.

Charles
 
Nov 19, 2011
1,489
MacGregor 26S Hampton, VA
I too have struggled with the fids. When I was making my lazy jacks using New England ropes, I finally gave up and tied bowlines. Someday I'll find an old salty sailer who can show me what I am doing wrong. Tried the videos but I think I learn better from hands on training with someone who can point out where I am going wrong. A video can't do that.
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
... I'll find an old salty sailer who can show me what I am doing wrong. ....
I assume you have the directions on paper? When I started doing splicing, I found it a big help to use colored pens to mark the different points on the line and on the instruction so you can easily reference them. Trying to match up a/b/c's is not that easy, so the colors are an easy reference. Likewise, when I do an eye splice in three-strand, putting a color on each of the three ends, and on the standing part where the splice will start really helps the newbies keep the strands in order.
 
Oct 2, 2008
3,811
Pearson/ 530 Strafford, NH
I too have struggled with the fids. When I was making my lazy jacks using New England ropes, I finally gave up and tied bowlines. .
Our Sailmaker did a stack pack for us and used Hog Rings to make the little eyes on the lines. ( Hog Rings=Lobstermen use them for bait bags) For eye splices I followed the video from New England ropes slowly with many stops. I've learned to use a finish nail to hold the crossover in place and wet the line before burying the ends, slides in easier. Before learning this I would get the core all bunched up and the final eye wouldn't milk out. Snapping the eye hard with the other end secure to a cleat really helps, too.

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