Need new motor on my C22...6 HP Tohatsu?

Nov 19, 2008
2,129
Catalina C-22 MK-II Parrish, FL
The Tohatsu is much quieter than our 5 HP Honda was, even at cruising speed.

For what it's worth, I have used what ever comes out of the Costco, Shell or Chevron pumps at the local stations. In my outboards and power equipment, I do mix in Sta-Bil as per directions, and in my 6 gallon outboard tank, I usually throw in 1/4 to 1/3 can of Seafoam, and have never had any issues with my Nissan on my Capri-18,(made by Tohatsu), and 2 HP,(my dinghy outboard), and 5 HP Honda, or my current 6 HP Tohatsu. My opinion, ethanol gas is nothing new, been around a decade or better, probably even longer here in California, and it's been no surprise for the engineers who design the engines. So in the past decade, I've probably never used "ethanol free" gas in my cars, truck, motorhome, generator, power washer, or outboards, and maybe I'm just a lucky guy, but I've not had fuel or carburetor issues with any of them.

Don
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
If you don't mind me asking in your thread...
I can find Ethanol free gas but its all 87 octane. I had wanted to use strictly 93.
Embarrassingly now that I say that out loud I realize I have no reason to back up that desire. I guess I just assumed it would burn cleaner. Any thoughts on that?
I think I went ahead with the ethanol free but cant remember now. Guess I should burn the rest in my car as suggested just incase.....IDK
Solo, higher octane is used to prevent engine knock (preignition.) This is usually needed for higher performance engines. My understanding is that running higher octane fuel in a motor that does not require it will have it burn hotter. I don't know if that's accurate or not.

I have found no problems running 87 octane ethanol free in my motor. And thank god the Subaru specs 87, so I don't have to pay higher fuel costs like my buddy's swanky-danky Acura :D

There is some debate on another point of fuel system health: run the carb bowl dry at the end of a session, or leave it full? Granddad used to run the carb out every Sunday night before packing up the boat for the week. I have spoken to mechanics, and the one school of thought is to clear out the carb bowl, so the fuel in the carb doesn't heat and oxidize in the sun all week. The other school of thought is that if you run the carb "dry," there is still a little bit in the carb bowl, which will then be more likely to evaporate away leaving some nice varnish in your carb. So don't run it dry.

On the little 2hp Suzuki 2 stroke, I would run the bowl dry every time I ran the motor. As in, running out from the dock to go sailing, shut off the tank and run her dry. Coming in from sailing, shut off the tank and run her dry. The reason for this was if there was any fuel in the carb, and I tilted the motor, it would dribble out the air intake and stink all damn day long.

On the Nissan 4 stroke, I have gone 2 seasons now NOT running the carb dry, except for Fall winterizing, when I drain the bowl fully using the drain port. However, I have had the opportunity to sail up to 3x a week, which is weekends, and then maybe up to 2x on weekday evenings after work. That fuel has been run through the carb plenty. This year, I have only been out in the boat I think 3x so far. Not good. But now the only room in the house yet to be unpacked and fully set up is the office, so I think I can start sparing some time for the boat! Boat can't be too envious of the house, because Boat will now have a nice place to park for the winter! :D

As for issues with low speed idle, I have heard of, and actually seen, more issues with the Mercury badged motors, but to be fair I have also seen some Tohatsus with issues. Best example is a friend with I think a 6hp Tohatsu similar to my Nissan in age, that she never used ethanol free, treated the fuel, or winterized the motor. That motor sat through two winters on the back of the boat, with no service. She did get away with this having a reliable motor for 2 seasons, UNTIL she went to sell the boat. She had the prospective new owners out for a windless cruise to show them the motor operation, when I konked out on her. I was nearby drifting, drinking beer, and chatting with another becalmed boat with an attractive female type aboard. I did everything I could with that motor, guessing it was fuel system, and couldn't get it started. She was all "I never had problems with this motor" to the buyers, to which I did agree - she had never had problems. I bit my tongue on the lack of maintenance, though. Took it to the local wrench, and he cleaned the carb and put in a new sparky plug, and doncha know it ran again, no problem. I felt vindicated on 2 counts: 1) I correctly diagnosed the issue 2) I'm dang happy I treat my motor the way I do, what with ethanol free treated gas, and fogging it for the winter and keeping it in the basement rather than hanging in the freezing cold.

I think Granddad would be proud, he taught me well!
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
The Tohatsu is much quieter than our 5 HP Honda was, even at cruising speed.

For what it's worth, I have used what ever comes out of the Costco, Shell or Chevron pumps at the local stations. In my outboards and power equipment, I do mix in Sta-Bil as per directions, and in my 6 gallon outboard tank, I usually throw in 1/4 to 1/3 can of Seafoam, and have never had any issues with my Nissan on my Capri-18,(made by Tohatsu), and 2 HP,(my dinghy outboard), and 5 HP Honda, or my current 6 HP Tohatsu. My opinion, ethanol gas is nothing new, been around a decade or better, probably even longer here in California, and it's been no surprise for the engineers who design the engines. So in the past decade, I've probably never used "ethanol free" gas in my cars, truck, motorhome, generator, power washer, or outboards, and maybe I'm just a lucky guy, but I've not had fuel or carburetor issues with any of them.

Don
Don, I will agree with you having had no problems with all your infernal combustion engines using the ethanol. If you routinely run enough fuel through that you need to freshen it, you'll be fine. For example, I put 1-2 tanks of gas in the car every week. Despite the fact that ethanol fuels oxidize faster, it isn't in the tank long enough to cause a problem, and I don't expect any problems from the car.

On the boat, I typically get by on 1.5 tanks a season. I'm takin' the safer-than-sorry approach, knowing I CAN get ethanol free without trouble. :D:D:D

I'm not judging anyone's success! :D
 
Sep 16, 2013
38
MacGregor 26S Peoria, IL
I think you will get as many opinions as posters and mine is no different. I would like to throw out one HUGE difference you may want to consider.

When I replaced my 8hp Honda this spring I decided on a 9.9 Mercury Command Thrust. It has all the requirements that the other posters mentioned, charging system, extra torque, etc. The BIG thing for me was the in-handle shifting offered only by Mercury. I know that it adds a whole new level of "things to go wrong", however, the ability to shift and control the throttle without taking your hand off of the OB tiller is awesome. I have never been able to dock with a tiller controlled outboard better than this by a long shot!

Something to consider.... ;)
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
As an ol' motocross/flat track racer and tuner I can tell you that octane above the recommended level is a waste of money and not good for your motor. Yes Brien, it runs hotter because contrary to what you would think the higher the octane the slower the burn time and consequent increased heat. Industrial Engineers are taught this fuel stuff and oil in a materials class we were required to take. Really enjoyed that class!
This issue is always coming up but the best thing to remember is an ignored outboard is likely to become a problem!
Chief
 
Nov 19, 2008
2,129
Catalina C-22 MK-II Parrish, FL
Don, I will agree with you having had no problems with all your infernal combustion engines using the ethanol. If you routinely run enough fuel through that you need to freshen it, you'll be fine. For example, I put 1-2 tanks of gas in the car every week. Despite the fact that ethanol fuels oxidize faster, it isn't in the tank long enough to cause a problem, and I don't expect any problems from the car.

On the boat, I typically get by on 1.5 tanks a season. I'm takin' the safer-than-sorry approach, knowing I CAN get ethanol free without trouble. :D:D:D

I'm not judging anyone's success! :D
Got me thinking, I haven't started the 2 HP Honda in about a year. Last time we used it was for the dinghy last summer on our trip to Catalina Island. Still had some gas left in it, turned the fuel on, choked it, and started 3rd pull. HATED my 5 HP Honda, but DANG! I love that little 2 HP Honda.

Don
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Don: I have to be careful too as I have a new 3.5 Tohatsu, a 2013, 9.8hp Tohatsu, and a 1989,15hp 2 stroke Evinrude. Can't run 'em all at once so better pay attention to the one left in the barn! Chief
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
I think you will get as many opinions as posters and mine is no different. I would like to throw out one HUGE difference you may want to consider.

When I replaced my 8hp Honda this spring I decided on a 9.9 Mercury Command Thrust. It has all the requirements that the other posters mentioned, charging system, extra torque, etc. The BIG thing for me was the in-handle shifting offered only by Mercury. I know that it adds a whole new level of "things to go wrong", however, the ability to shift and control the throttle without taking your hand off of the OB tiller is awesome. I have never been able to dock with a tiller controlled outboard better than this by a long shot!

Something to consider.... ;)
Yeah, that shift on the twist grip tiller thing that Mercury has going on is REALLY sweet!

Mine is on the side. I dislike. I've seen new ones with the shift lever at least on the front of the cowling. That's probably not too bad...
 
Jun 4, 2015
18
Pearson Electra Central Pa
Benny: I understand and agree to the need to add sophisticated air handling - and I include shrouding the coil wiring as well. I am an engineer, so this is an interesting project. Another post here also praises the minimal vibration of his outboard, and there is no review of this bottom end I could find, for both vibration or durability. I also agree with the desirability of the Tohatsu alternator - sailboats can well use solar, but at three AM when the lights go out, that feature may save your life. I offered the link to show an economical alternative ($800 vs. $1500), and the feedback suggests this option is best suited for where wave action issues are less severe.
Also, I own a Boston Whaler, and this may prove to be the backup engine to my old Mercury - wouldn't take out of the bay unless I had more reserve power than 6 HP.