Gybe Preventer

Jan 12, 2011
930
Hunter 410 full time cruiser
This is about the newer B&R rigs with end boom sheeting, or any other end boom sheeting arrangement.

I've read that you should attach ones gybe preventer to the same area of the boom that the sheet is attached to. The end on my boom even has a connection point on the boom end cap that says for preventor only. But I don't feel this works very well with the preventer line going from the end to the forward cleat are. The angle just seems too not work for anything other than deep downwind (I sometimes like to rig the preventor in lighter wind choppy seas as the so the boom isn't always slamming back and forth on a reach).

So what/how are others with end boom sheeting connecting their preventors?
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
This is about the newer B&R rigs with end boom sheeting, or any other end boom sheeting arrangement.

I've read that you should attach ones gybe preventer to the same area of the boom that the sheet is attached to. The end on my boom even has a connection point on the boom end cap that says for preventor only. But I don't feel this works very well with the preventer line going from the end to the forward cleat are. The angle just seems too not work for anything other than deep downwind (I sometimes like to rig the preventor in lighter wind choppy seas as the so the boom isn't always slamming back and forth on a reach).

So what/how are others with end boom sheeting connecting their preventors?
I believe your attachment point on the boom may vary depending on your sea conditions and wind angle, as you said. If you're reaching deep in strong wind and fairly high seas, where the boat may roll enough to leeward for the boom to hit or approach the water closely, then the preventer needs to be all the way out to the boom end. Otherwise, if attached mid-boom and the end strikes a wave hard, it might break or bend the boom at the attachment point. [Preventer holding while boom end strikes water or wave far from the fulcrum point--I'm sure you get the picture.] Otherwise, in mild conditions etc., I doubt it would matter so much where the attachment point is as long as it's far enough out to hold the boom if trying to gybe. I normally attach mine near the point where the cringle at the 2nd reef point of the mainsail would touch.
 
Jul 25, 2004
359
Hunter 42 currently in New Zealand
preventer

Hi Don,

I have a 1991 Passage 42, so it has a toerail with eyes every six inches or so. I run a line from the end of the boom (at the spot you describe) through a large snatch block that is attached to the toerail about halfway forward from the cockpit. I then run it back to my main winch and tighten it there.

I agree with the caution about using the boom vang attachment to the boom as a preventer. I had an unplanned gybe with a strong wind while so rigged and it snapped my boom like a toothpick. With very bad results.

Good luck,
Paul
 
Mar 20, 2004
1,746
Hunter 356 and 216 Portland, ME
Hi Don,
We put a Boombrake (from Dutchman) on our 356. t works really well and is adjustable from the cockpit to keep the boom from slatting to holding it out in a blow. Makes for very controlled jibes with no drama. The brake is mounted on our boom on the same fitting that holds the top of the rigid vang. The restraining/control line runs from the stbd chain plate, thru the brake, to a block on the port chain plate and then back to a line cltch on the cabin top.
Highly recommended
 
Mar 20, 2012
3,983
Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
This is about the newer B&R rigs with end boom sheeting, or any other end boom sheeting arrangement.

I've read that you should attach ones gybe preventer to the same area of the boom that the sheet is attached to. The end on my boom even has a connection point on the boom end cap that says for preventor only. But I don't feel this works very well with the preventer line going from the end to the forward cleat are. The angle just seems too not work for anything other than deep downwind (I sometimes like to rig the preventor in lighter wind choppy seas as the so the boom isn't always slamming back and forth on a reach).

So what/how are others with end boom sheeting connecting their preventors?
You can attach it at any point on the boom that you wish, but for the best effect in doing what you would use a preventor for, attaching it at the end of the boom will always be best.

And although the angle of the line from the boom end to the forward cleat may seem wrong, it will be a much better angle than if you were to attach it midboom to the foreward cleat.

I actually believe a line from midship rail cleats to boomend would be the best angle, but the forward cleats are usually used.
 
Dec 22, 2013
23
Hunter 36 Lake Erie
Not having a toe rail on my 2007 hunter 36 I replaced the out shroud clevis pin with a hayn hi-mod shackle. This gave me a attachment point other than the end of boom
 
Jul 27, 2013
298
Hunter 37.5 1065 Rock Hall, MD
I have a toe rail, too. I just tie a bowline knot at the boom end and another at the toe rail.
 

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Jun 11, 2004
37
Hunter 410 middle river, md
H410 preventer

Don
I have a 2002 H410. I installed Ring Pad Eyes along each toe rail forward of the mid ship cleats. ( there is a flat location, with a backing plate, on the toe rail). In my opinion using the mid sheet cleats where too far aft and didn't provide enough of an angle for the preventer to be effective. When I set the preventer I use the bale on the boom that is used for the main sheet and the Ring Pad eye.
Hope this helps. Any questions let me know.
Frank
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,947
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Preventer Rigging

Ditto Paul Cossman's preventer. We also have a 1991 P42 and use snap shackles on both ends for quick release if necessary. Our boom as SS straps attached at different points to the underside of the boom between the boom end and vang. I shackle our preventer to the one closest to the boom end. The other to the toe rail close to the bow cleat.

Bing search will lead you to other preventer layouts, some adjustable from the cockpit. Just takes more sheet.
 
Mar 3, 2003
710
Hunter 356 Grand Rivers
I have a 2003 H356. I have two lines tied with a bowline to the attachment point for the vang at the boom. I run each line through the hole in the mid cleat and then back under my dodger to my winches. If running, I attach the line to a winch on the downwind side. To gybe, I take the line off the winch and take up slack, or in heavy wind, leave a wrap around the winch and take up the slack as I go through the gybe. At midpoint, I hold the line and let it back out gradually. This system works for me. If you want a better angle than the mid cleat, run the line through the stanchion braces just forward and the angle is better. Either works about the same. One through the gybe, secure the opposite line to the new downwind cleat. Very simple and all you need is a little line.
 
Jul 25, 2004
359
Hunter 42 currently in New Zealand
using vang attachment for preventer line

I have a 2003 H356. I have two lines tied with a bowline to the attachment point for the vang at the boom. I run each line through the hole in the mid cleat and then back under my dodger to my winches. If running, I attach the line to a winch on the downwind side. To gybe, I take the line off the winch and take up slack, or in heavy wind, leave a wrap around the winch and take up the slack as I go through the gybe. At midpoint, I hold the line and let it back out gradually. This system works for me. If you want a better angle than the mid cleat, run the line through the stanchion braces just forward and the angle is better. Either works about the same. One through the gybe, secure the opposite line to the new downwind cleat. Very simple and all you need is a little line.
I used exactly that type of arrangement for years. One time while running dead downwind in heavy winds/seas, the helmsperson experienced an involuntary gybe. The preventer caused the 3/8" bale that served as the vang attachment (on the boom) to pull off and it shot down like a bullet. Fortunately the only damage that time was a rather significant chip out of the top of the heavy hatch over the head on my 1991 Passage 42.

I continued to use the same system. Years later, while sailing DDW offshore in a mild 15 knots, we experienced a dramatic and unpredictable wind increase. In just one or two seconds we had 30+ knots pinning us down to our toerail, with very little steerageway. The wind then shifted 180 degrees, still with little steerage, so we experienced an involuntary gybe. I was at the helm and I was unable to bring the boat around quickly enough, so we had all that force on the preventer. This time the vang bale held, as did the spectra line I use for my vang. But the boom snapped into two pieces like a twig, right at the preventer attachment point. The sail snapped around, with the broken boom, and then hit the shrouds with such force as to break the top spreader. All the starboard shrouds went slack and I was astonished that we did not lose the mast. (The epilog is that we then had to motor the 250 miles back to Tonga VERY CAREFULLY, stabilize the mast, buy a bunch of jerry cans, and motor the 1200 miles to New Zealand with only a trysail on the mast).

Although I knew better at the time, I later talked to a number of people who knew of this danger, and even a couple who had experienced it themselves. I just don't want you to go through what I did, Jerry. I now attach my preventer only at the aft end of the boom, where you get the full strength of the entire boom in the event of an unplanned gybe with the preventer in place.
 
Mar 20, 2012
3,983
Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
I used exactly that type of arrangement for years.
I now attach my preventer only at the aft end of the boom, where you get the full strength of the entire boom in the event of an unplanned gybe with the preventer in place.
I totally agree...

The thread seems to point out where to attach the preventor line to the boat, but its equally important, if not more so, where its attached to the boom.

Anyone attaching any place on the boom other than the aft end of it, has no clue how much power can be developed, and how much risk they are creating.... not only in the damage that can be caused, but in the false sense of security...

Attaching a preventor to the middle of the boom may be fine when trying to run down, wing-on-wing in a gentle breeze, but its still a bad practice/habit to attach anywhere except the boom end.
You never know when a gust will blow that will quickly put things in jeopardy...
 
Jan 12, 2011
930
Hunter 410 full time cruiser
The thing is I know I read somewhere that a preventer should be attached to the boom at the same area as the sheet. I just don't think the B&R boom is as beefy in the middle to attach a preventer, but the end doesn't give a good angle (cap is label for a preventer).

Which is why I asked the B&R rig ("newer" Hunters) how they are doing it.
 
Mar 20, 2004
1,746
Hunter 356 and 216 Portland, ME
One of the reasons I went with the boombrake is it's NOT a preventer - it allows the boom to move but in a controlled manner. We've used it in winds over 40kts and the shock loads seem minimal compared to a fixed preventer
 
Jan 12, 2011
930
Hunter 410 full time cruiser
Any reason I can not run a line to both ends of the boom with a loop in the middle and attached the preventer to the loop?
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Jon: Looks like it will work great and not a 300 dollar item! I have never used a preventer. Does the line secure to one end on port rail, through the preventer and other end secured to stbd rail? Chief
 
Aug 3, 2010
88
Oday 28 Malletts Bay, Lake Champlain
Paul is spot on with his comments. The two things you are trying to prevent are a nasty gybe and the boom catching the water in rolly downwind seas.

Both of these create MASSIVE loads. The only really two connection points are the end of the boom and up near the bow. I have used dyneema for this application with good success. If you have no point to connect at the end of the boom, I would think some sort of dyneema loop could be fashioned.

Also, as pointed out, a boom brake is not a preventer. Have one by all means, but you should still have a preventer.
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
From what I have observed on this post a boom brake could be a preventer by simply throwing an extra wrap around it. Chief