To get to the lower gudgeon nuts I installed an inspection port on the wall of the flotation compartment from inside the starboard locker. There will be some foam to dig out. Have fun getting in the locker and working.
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I am 6' 4 '' tall so it will be a blast..where are the muchkins when you need them. I might just put a port in the aft wall as srust58 suggested. Thanks for the reply's and help.
Gary
Gary
That port would make it easier to get access to the upper gudgeon nuts but I don't think you can get to the lowers. There might be an easier way to get to the lower nuts than my idea but you have get into that flotation compartment under the cockpit sole somehow. Do some investigating before cutting a hole in your boat.
Makes you wonder why there wasn't provisions made for that when they designed the boat. I guess you can't think of everything. Having worked in industry for 40+ years I know engineers can design great things on paper but in the real world they don't work as planned. (my apologies to my engineering buddies
) That being said I will explore all options before cutting.
Makes you wonder why there wasn't provisions made for that when they designed the boat. I guess you can't think of everything. Having worked in industry for 40+ years I know engineers can design great things on paper but in the real world they don't work as planned. (my apologies to my engineering buddies
I have the 22 and with the additional foot added to the stern to give it that reversed transom it does give access to the lower fitting but the 21 obviously does not. Probably a lot less space between the aft cockpit wall and the transom in the 21 as well.
Interesting enough, but I also have the same water accumulation under the sink. The rest of the boat is bone dry. I actually just recently found the water and dried it out. Then a couple weeks later it was back. My Sirius 21 sits on its trailer at the marina. It was sitting on a sloped spot, slightly lower on port side and bow down. Unlike most boats, the drains are forward in the cockpit and anchor locker. If I leave it with the stern lower, it fills up with water. I went to go sailing this weekend but my motor wasn't pumping water, impeller is wasted. Anyway, i moved it to a flatter storage spot this time, thinking that was why it was getting water under the port side compartment. I looked real good and all ports and openings show no signs of leakage. I'm moving the boat to a wet slip near New Bern in March and definitely dont need any leaks. It's just interesting that at least three of us have water in the same place. I'll update if i find the source of the water.
I recently joined a Sirius owners forum on yahoo groups. One owner had a leak and tracked it down to the anchor locker drain tubing. The amount of water I was getting had to be coming from a source greater than the few small leaks I was getting from the chain plates and stanchions. The tubing was leaking at the anchor locker and also was leaking because the tubing going through the hull was not sealed correctly. The water was going between the inner and outer hull and collecting under the sink and other bilge compartments.
I put a stainless steel thru hull on the outer hull and a nylon with stainless face in the anchor locker. I need to seal the hole where the tubing was attached and I should be a whole lot drier. Probably should have used a flush mounted thru hull in the locker but couldn't find one that had a tubing barb on it that suited me.
Take a look and see if that might be your problem. Also check out the owners group at yahoo groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/siriusowners/conversations/messages.
Good luck and keep us informed.
Gary
Ahh yes, that makes sense. I have looked at the anchor locker drain and thought it was a bit cheesy. It does drain to outside but who knows if some is going into the hull. I see a thru hull project in the near future.
I assume you sail Albemarle? Hopefully nice to find another Sirius in NC. I've only been in lakes so far but planning on spending 2015 on the Neuse. Have you had any travels that way? I'm also wondering about my motor. I only have a 3.5 now and thinking I need bigger one to handle the currents.
I assume you sail Albemarle? Hopefully nice to find another Sirius in NC. I've only been in lakes so far but planning on spending 2015 on the Neuse. Have you had any travels that way? I'm also wondering about my motor. I only have a 3.5 now and thinking I need bigger one to handle the currents.
I got the thru hulls from west marine and they use 5/8 tubing. Hopefully this will eliminate most of my water problems.
I will be sailing the Albemarle Sound and keeping the boat at Mackeys Marina. The only way to get to New Bern is to sail down the Albemarle and into the Pamlico Sound. Pretty long way by water but only 64 miles by land. You should have plenty of nice water to sail in down that way.
When I bought the boat it came with an 8 hp Yamaha. The owner said it would go 22 mph with the keel up. I haven't had the boat out yet as I am doing some repairs before I take it out but that sounds like a stretch to me
I agree its good to know there is another owner so close. Good to exchange ideas and possible get together this summer.
Gary
I checked on my boat today. Once again found water under sink, though only about a 1/4 in the lowest corner. We haven't had much rain. But the next few days will be rainy. I checked the anchor drain. I dont see how it could be leaking. There's a nice access to the drain so I could inspect it easily. The opening is closed at the bottom so it would hold the water if it leaked there, but was bone dry with a couple stink bugs in it. I should've taken some pictures. I have no clue where the water is coming from. I only saw a single drop on a thru bolt from the deck rail. But the cushions below are dry. I'll check it over the weekend in the rain.
I just bought my boat last year, I've had it out only a few times and Only had good wind on it once. It sails good, you'll be pleased. Once I got rid of the hum, I was grinnin. Can't wait to get her in some chop.
I just bought my boat last year, I've had it out only a few times and Only had good wind on it once. It sails good, you'll be pleased. Once I got rid of the hum, I was grinnin. Can't wait to get her in some chop.
Good luck finding your leak. They seem to be hard to find. I put a tarp over my boat and I am dry at the moment. I know that the deck hardware needs rebedding so maybe I can get the leaks stopped. Looking forward to getting mine in the water. The Albemarle is shallow in spots so it can get rough. Only about 20 ft or so In the channel. Still a great place to sail.
I have rebedded the chain plates with the butyl rubber and plan on doing the same to the stanchions for the life line. While in the process I noticed daylight coming in from a fitting on the bow and it was coming from a misguided hole that was drilled for the pulpit base. After rebedding no daylight was seen.
I replaced the tubing in the chain locker with a thru hull fitting in the locker and a stainless thru hull for the bow.
Took the old thru hull for the sink out and replaced it with a new one.Used the adapter from straight threads to tapered treads so I could replace the ball valve if needed. Sealed the whole thing with 5200 silicone ,hope it doesn't leak or I will suffer trying to get it back apart.
Got a new bronze valve on ebay for about 6 bucks. Same internals as the one the marine supply houses sell only difference is the handle which is not stainless. Rebuilt the whale pump and new sink strainer and tubing for the drain.
Painted the inside of the lockers and the covers with Rustoleum Topsider paint. One coat was sufficient.
Hoping to get the boat in the water next week and enjoy the fruits of my labor.
I replaced the tubing in the chain locker with a thru hull fitting in the locker and a stainless thru hull for the bow.
Took the old thru hull for the sink out and replaced it with a new one.Used the adapter from straight threads to tapered treads so I could replace the ball valve if needed. Sealed the whole thing with 5200 silicone ,hope it doesn't leak or I will suffer trying to get it back apart.
Got a new bronze valve on ebay for about 6 bucks. Same internals as the one the marine supply houses sell only difference is the handle which is not stainless. Rebuilt the whale pump and new sink strainer and tubing for the drain.
Painted the inside of the lockers and the covers with Rustoleum Topsider paint. One coat was sufficient.
Hoping to get the boat in the water next week and enjoy the fruits of my labor.
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Hey slogfish. Did you have any luck finding your leaks. I have re-bedded deck hardware on the port side and some on the starboard side. Still getting leaks on the port side. The only thing that hasn't been done is the cleat on the bow. Don't know how the water is getting in as I had my wife spay water on the boat as I watched inside for leaks. Everything seemed ok.
The area where the leak is occurring (under the sink) has all been re-bedded. Still baffled.
The area where the leak is occurring (under the sink) has all been re-bedded. Still baffled.
Sry been a while since I've been on. I did manage to finally fix all my leaks. The main leaks were at the shroud plates and around the windows, but also the deck hand rails. The shroud plate is what was leaking to under the sink. I basically just removed all the deck hardware, cleaned the old sealant off, and resealed with a lot of 4200. The windows were leaking too, i jammed a scraper in behind the gasket and blowed out all the water and trash, then i shot some black 4200 inside. My boat has been in a slip all summer and it's been dry as a bone on the inside.
I had a problem with my cockpit drain not draining. I took the strainers off and found it full of leaves. I figured out a 3/4" hose would fit inside the drain hose. I pushed one end through then blew on the other end and a gob of leaves and dirt came out. Flushed it with a couple gallons of water and its wide open now.
that work looks great ...but i noticed you have only 1 clamp on the hose it would be in your best interest if you used 2 clamps
Nice fix.. mine has the exact same type of piece of wood and bronze fitting and someone put on a round handle turning valve, i'll replace in the 'off season' here in NE Ohio.
I am a total novice and need to take time to study and the words and terms.. the word 'chain' is coming up... the 'chain' I have...is attached to the anchor... which I 'stumbled' across looking at all the 'hatches'. Right now I'm undoing all the stainless steel cables on the mast on the ground. I will attempt to 'raise' the mast, by my self' later today... watching videos on youtube and mast master I think it was... that gizmo looks like its for me unless I come up with one by myself. I use to work on satellite dishes and those motor drives to move the big dishes use 12. might gizmo one to sit there and push buttons to raise and lower ! lol, lol.
Thanks for anything on Sirius 21. Anyone here sailing Lake Erie Northeast ohio area? I have a binoculars and saw one ! not sure how to attach photos and it was too far away to get a name off the boat.
Time to 'wiki' what the sail is towards middle of boat going up the mast.. I would think that was the 'main'. I bought the boat out of 15 years storage and two different ..states'..(WV and PA) and it is the only sail. Can I sail with just this one sail?... I am so anxious to just get in and learn on the job ! lol
Welcome old salt! Don't know what chain you are referring to but the chain plates secure the shrouds (cables that secure the mast) to the boat. They usually run through the deck and are securely fastened to the hull by bolts ect. They seems to leak over time and need to be re-bedded.
Search on you tube and you will find lots of good videos on sailing and it's techniques.
The main sail is the one that runs up the aft side of the mast. The jib sail or foresail will be secured to the forestay or the cable securing the mast to the bow of the boat.
Good to have both.
Gary
Search on you tube and you will find lots of good videos on sailing and it's techniques.
The main sail is the one that runs up the aft side of the mast. The jib sail or foresail will be secured to the forestay or the cable securing the mast to the bow of the boat.
Good to have both.
Gary
Thanks for the info... laid everything out in the yard, what came wrapped and I do have a main sail and that is all. now I'm learning to 'raise' the mast. it will sometimes be by my self. i'll make a "X or a Y shape out of 2 by 4s to raise the mast somewhat up in the air, and then see how easy..hard it is to raise rest of way. I got to run to the hardware store and buy the 'bolts' gizmo to secure the mast cables to the gizmos attached to the boat. looks like 1/4 -20 size type. I'll continue to review the internet and anxious to go on the water... Lake Erie out my back yard... BUT only on a CALM day... which looks like it might be awhile.
Got to figure out how to do a 'U' turn... sail up the shoreline and then turn around and go back. Was in the Navy but on a powerboat of course... I think I read against the wind you go 'back' and forth to get to your distination. if I don't get the hang of it, I always have my outboard until I do ! thanks a zillion... any info is helpful.. just retired and re-inventing myself (always tinkered with cars and didn't have time for a boat)... now I'm retired and taking the time ! I moved the doghouse onto the boat... makes my wife more happy ! lol, lol