Float Plan Database????

Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
....ok just sitting here thinking about cruising and filing a float plan in the near future...i know its a wise thing to file a float plan with someone but ...who????.....is there a national database for doing this????? i am thinking there should be one but there may not be.......i know when you file a flight plan its usually filed with you home base airfield and in the military it is filed with base operations....but for civilian sailors there doesn't seem to be a good place......i would like input on this subject and suggestions for doing so ...it seems to me a central agency would be a good thing and when the journey is over it would be a good thing if it was reported that it is complete ....in my mind if this was enacted it would alert the agency if there was some vessel missing .....i may be complicating pleasure sailing here by asking and if so say so ......we put a lot into safety and navigation so why not put an effort in this concept as well ....
 

ALNims

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Jul 31, 2014
208
Hunter 356 Huis Ten Bosch Marina, Sasebo, Japan
....ok just sitting here thinking about cruising and filing a float plan in the near future...i know its a wise thing to file a float plan with someone but ...who????.....is there a national database for doing this????? i am thinking there should be one but there may not be.......i know when you file a flight plan its usually filed with you home base airfield and in the military it is filed with base operations....but for civilian sailors there doesn't seem to be a good place......i would like input on this subject and suggestions for doing so ...it seems to me a central agency would be a good thing and when the journey is over it would be a good thing if it was reported that it is complete ....in my mind if this was enacted it would alert the agency if there was some vessel missing .....i may be complicating pleasure sailing here by asking and if so say so ......we put a lot into safety and navigation so why not put an effort in this concept as well ....
I would recommend that you check with USCG marine safety group.
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,523
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
Do You Put That Much Trust in a Bureucrat?

I leave my float plan with someone who genuinely cares about me and my well being.
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
Float plans are not filed with any agencies. You give them to a family member or friend. If you don't check in at the designated time then they are supposed to contact the local authorities.

Last year we had the USCG sector Boston broadcasting about a boat from England who was 3 weeks late. He eventually showed up another week later. Just no winds and he didn't have a sat phone.

Nowadays most cruisers either carry a sat phone or InReach or other such device So they can update friends and family alone the way.
 
Jun 6, 2013
11
Hunter 28 Burlington, ON
Float Plan

In Canadian waters it is routine to file a float plan with the Canadian Coast Guard on departure and cancel it on arrival. The Coast Guard is contacted on Channel 16.
 

BJV

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Jun 8, 2004
61
Island Trader 41 foot Ketch, CC Arnold
USCG just launched a boat safety app which includes a float plan might want to check that out.
 
Jul 15, 2014
7
S2 9.2A Ford Yacht Club
I'm in a Yacht Club and we have forms and a process if you plan on venturing longer than a day. You file your float plan with our Harbor Master.
 
Aug 16, 2013
1
Bavaria Vision 46 Will be Sydney
Anyone any experience with floatplanregistry.com? Wonder if it will work for Australians sailing in the Med? BTW, in Australia it is called a passage plan. Float plan to me sounds like it has something to do with an IPO!
 
Dec 2, 2013
9
Irwin 43 CC MKII Vancouver
Yes you can file such a plan with the Canadian coast guard normally on line, and I know the US coast guards are going the same way. Just one problem, when you state your date of arrival if you do not contact them, it can trigger a search and rescue mission. Now most people would say, no big deal I should be there on time. NOT!!!!! The weather can decide otherwise, you might be holed up for a few days, decide to enjoy the beauty of an area for a bit longer, need to do some minor repairs while in a little gorgeous bay. The best is to file with a family member that are not the panicky type, that if you are late by a few hours won't call the coast guards, I have been known to be late by more then a couple of days. Now I just give them an idea of My sailing ground since I do long distance blue water sailing, but I also have an EPIRB if in trouble you can activate it and it is better the a sailing plan because it gives your exact position. Mine tells the rescue team the type of boat, size and color, port of registry, name of the owner, emergency contact and average normal that are usely are on board. As to a sail plan it only gives them an approximate area of search, long tedious time consuming and expensive. plus depending of the situation, you might put their life at risk for no good reason.
So in short, get an EPIRB, mine is top of the line, self activated about $1000.00( i sail solo long distance blue water ), but there are cheaper one that will only give your exact location when activated, they start I think at about $150.00 a small price to save a life and point the rescue team in the exact spot where you are. Remember that in most remote locations, the search and rescue is a volunteer group, and there are a lot of ground to cover.
Now if you are a serious boater, you will also get a VHF radio (3 on My boat) SSB Radio, proper flares, fire extinguishers, (5 on My boat) life-jackets, rescue raft if going off shore etc.... A well prepare boater is a safe boater, and he takes responsibility for His own safety and does not rely on help that might not come on time, or even come at all depending what part of the world you are in.
So bottom........ line sail plan ???? no ..........preparedness yes !
 
Dec 2, 2013
9
Irwin 43 CC MKII Vancouver
@ bobsail2
By the way Bob, in Australia, they will not give you your exit papers (zarpe) unless you have a life-raft and an EPIRB on board. But I am sure you know that.
For the rest of the readers....The reason being
is that their surrounding waters are a bit treacherous and that they are sick and tired of sending rescue crew that call and should have been able to fix their own problems or should have not been on the water in the first place ( I sure have seen a few of those in My sailing life )
 
Jan 22, 2008
3
Catalina Capri 22 Waconia, MN
Float Plans were a good idea before better technology supplanted the need. You can avoid the problems with having a float plan (i.e. not showing up at the designated time for legitimate, non-emergency reasons) by getting a good EPIRB and being properly prepared as recommended by mrjfortin. As an alternative to the EPRIB, or in addition to it, and useful also for flying, hiking, etc., look at getting a SPOT (just google it) or similar device. It allows you to be rescued if needed, but also allows, unlike an EPIRB, to communicate a few different statuses via satellite to friends and family, and position tracking that can be logged on a website for any interested peoples.
 

Kermit

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Jul 31, 2010
5,669
AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
So, without a float plan and Woodster has a debilitating illness or injury, will the EPIRB know when to call for help?

Personally, I like the idea of at least telling someone where he's going and when he expects to return. That's all that's really required. Not every expected move. On the other hand, it would be even better if Woodster posts his expected plan here in a thread and keeps us updated when possible. I think Roger Long invented that concept.
 
Sep 8, 2013
71
Beneteau Oceanis 45 Rock Hall, MD
With Aviation there are two types of Flight Plans IFR(Intrument Flight Rules) or VFR (Visual Flight Rules). With IFR you have to file a flight plan and activate it upon departure. VFR is voluntary. However in both cases Air Traffic Control will assign you a unique Transponder ID. Basically they know where you are most of the time, as long as you are in range or sight of radar. The coast guard would have no such capability unless you were broadcasting your location. This is not something most boats have the capability of doing. A Float Plan is a very good idea and I think it is something everyone should do, but unfortunately it is still a bit vague in application.

If an agency of government were going to administer such a program I feel
it should be predicated on some form of mandatory real time location reporting. I would hate to see the valuable resources of the USCG wasted on chasing down late arrivals.
 
Jan 22, 2008
3
Catalina Capri 22 Waconia, MN
Sure, but the issue is that you are more likely to encounter, by a great percentage, is to be legitimately delayed versus actually needing rescuing. To handle this inevitable situation, you have to debilitate the process of having a float plan in the first place. The person(s) you leave a float plan with are told to not react right away, or similar. Well, that's certainly a problem if you need immediate help, which also statistically is the more likely scenario if you indeed need help.

With a SPOT (or similar) you can easily check in periodically with the concerned persons to say "I'm Ok". They can then be asked to contact someone if you don't check in at designated times. Checking in with a SPOT is analogous to having a daily, or perhaps even more frequent, float plan, where you virtually close it by sending an "I'm Ok", and file a new one with them for the next short period of time. Furthermore instead of stating only hopeful intentions, the concerned persons know exactly what you did do and where you actually are, even when things are Ok.

As you can imagine, real-time position tracking is a major aid to search and rescue attempts. A float plan doesn't help much if you are off course, perhaps due to the very issue that is causing the need for help in the first place.

A float plan is essentially a one shot deal, and is only a hopeful best guess for the whole trip or for the larger segments where you intend to be in communication by other means such as reaching a port. Another problem is that even when things are Ok, the sailor is beholden a bit to the float plan just so their designated concerned persons don’t become alarmed and start sending help.

By the way, in addition to sending an "I’m Ok" message and tracking actual progress on a web site for your concerned persons, a SPOT also enables the sailor to send a different "Send Help", and still a different SOS message. The Send Help message can be configured to just go to those persons who perhaps have means to help you when all you need is some assistance and not a life threatening emergency scenario. An SOS message goes directly to the nearest help authority covering the area; worldwide.

If you actually need help immediately, there is no better system. Even a satellite phone requires you to determine your location, establish a satellite connection, then dial someone, who'll in turn need to determine who best to contact for search and rescue and contact them. With a Spot, you just press and hold a button for a few seconds and help is on its way, directly to where you actually are.

The only thing a SPOT can't do is self-activate. An EPIRP can, but only if the activation conditions are right. A float plan simply can't do any of these things, much less self activate.

A float plan is the simplest form of search and rescue planning. The only scenario that it helps with still requires time to pass and the resulting research effort to cover vast areas depending on the fate of the vessel. It is simply the least ideal system now that there are more functional alternatives.

I'm also a pilot in addition to a sailor. The original reference here was to aviation flight plans. Filing a VFR flight plan these days is simply rarely done, and usually only by student pilots. Filing an IFR flight plan is done for reasons having less to do with search and rescue and a lot to do with ATC and traffic management. And, even with flying on an IFR flight plan, which I do a lot, I more frequently change the plan (divert) in flight than I don't. The very times when I fly on an IFR plan are when I'm flying in and around weather, which is exactly when I most need to divert, or change from my intended plan. I could say the same for when I’m sailing. And, with an IFR plan, you are nearly always in contact with air traffic control. When you aren't, you are doing so in segments, just like sending "I'm Ok" on the SPOT. With ATC in America this is typically around 20 minutes or less.

Now, it is the case that the intended route on an IFR plan is used when a pilot loses communication with air traffic control, or doesn't show up at the intended time. However, air traffic control knows where they were last when communications failed, and many times the flight path, and its end, is usually tracked on radar. And the time passage is minutes to hours and not days or weeks. I.e., even here, it is other technology that is the significant advantage, well beyond the original hopeful flight plan, which accomplishes little, and only in rare circumstances.
 
Apr 27, 2014
27
Catalina 30 1986 MkI Newington Nh
Here we go again, create another government regulation for those in Congress to make money off of, There are to many regulations now, we really don't need anymore. If I want someone to know where I am going I will let them know. As far as the possibility of an emergency occurring there are means to handle it. EPRIB, life rafts, Hand held VHF with GPS, are available. My safety and the safety of those on board is my responsibility.