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Jun 19, 2013
1,223
C&C 30 Elk Rapids
...so the story says the owner was aboard at the time. Put yourself in the owners shoes: Captain needing to be removed of his duties imemdiately, or perhaps the owner was an arse as well, instigating and/or participating.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...urant-chartered-by-well-known-captain/2218900

huh, google is a powerful tool: tampa bay fishing guide asosciation, facebook page.....easy to find info on the "captain" looks like a pretty good gig, save the landlubber approach to boating
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,213
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
The fact that the donkey (jackass?) had a captain's license says that he had been exposed to rules 19 and 6 .. he chose to ignore those because they are inconvenient to him, I guess.. I am with Maine on this one.. he should be doing some jail time because of endangering not only his passengers but also anyone else who was on the water in that area at that time.. I have heard people doing exactly what this guy was doing when I've been ghosting along in a fog.. scares the hell outta me
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,345
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
kloudie, I agree. I have no idea what Scott was rambling on about re: psychological disorders. Rules 9 & 16 are about as clear as they can be. If you can't figure out those two things, you shouldn't be driving ANYTHING. For example, every year here in the Central Valley of California (and also in other states) heavy fog hits an Interstate highway, and there are huge pileups because the jackasses didn't slow the F down. Has nothing to do with boating or licensing. You can't license stupidity.
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,432
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
Stu, so then you suggest that licensing is a waste of time. Why not eliminate all government regulation as a complete farce? It would seem to follow ...

I'm suggesting that the "captain" acted with total disregard to safety. It's not stupidity that causes that behavior, it's a psychological disorder. The "captain" knows it is unsafe, he just doesn't care. That's not normal, but there are enough people out there who behave that way. They know how to behave when procuring the license, they simply don't behave appropriately afterwards. That's my only point. Licensing doesn't do anything to affect that behavioral characteristic. So I agree with you ... studying for a license is a waste of time if you won't behave appropriately even with a license.

So now that we have that settled, throw out licensing. It's just a bureaucratic waste of time and money, right?
 
Jan 10, 2015
130
. . Pensacola, FL
Wow. There was a short blurb here in the Pensacola News Journal about this, but no pic. I figured the restaurant was one of those on pilings set out over the water...had no idea this guy drove up on the dadgum beach and HIT the land-built building!! Holy smokes!!

Lost in the fog...mental as well as meteorological, it would seem.
 
Jan 12, 2011
930
Hunter 410 full time cruiser
"Let's see if I can remember, is it push the handles forward to forward, or is it pull the handles back?"
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,345
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
1. Licensing doesn't do anything to affect that behavioral characteristic. So I agree with you ... studying for a license is a waste of time if you won't behave appropriately even with a license.

2. So now that we have that settled, throw out licensing. It's just a bureaucratic waste of time and money, right?
1. We agree.

2. An illogical extension.

Look, licensing doesn't make people do the right thing. Cars are a perfect example. Every once in a while here one of our regular columnists does a piece on driving from the East Bay into The City over the Bay Bridge and wonders, as my wife does sometimes, "God made directional turn signals to be USED when changing lanes. Why don't more people use them?!?"

My beef is licensing boaters. Europe now has more rules than people!!! Driving a boat in the EU is a bureaucratic horror show. I read about these things daily on crusiersforum. It's simply crazy. And unnecessary.

The beginnings of that kind of mess are already here, with certain states having different rules for boating classes. Eventually it has the possibility of becoming a real mess. If I sail into your state with its laws with my boat from California, do I need to pass your state's boating class?

That's the kind of LOGICAL extension of stupid rules.

Instead of MORE stupid rules, why not simply ENFORCE the existing ones. Put that jacka$$ who ran into a restaurant (!!!) in jail, and tell all his overpowered over-testosterone buddies on notice, too.

A few years ago a CG RIB was harassing sail-boaters in the estuary here, where they bring in huge containerships. One motorboater was crossing in front of one of the ships and its tugs. The pilot on the ship called the CG RIB and said: "Hey, CG, stop bothering the boaters who are NOT in my way, and pull over the jerk who just went in front of my bow!"

Even the enforcement guys are pretty stupid.

Our local Alameda sheriff went out and bought a brand spankin' new patrol boat with all that wonderful Homeland Security money, and we were once pulled over, for no good reason other than it was a slow Monday afternoon, I guess, for them.

I ran into them a few months later as I was filling up with fuel. I asked them if they were out the day before for Fleet Week, notorious for its poor boating behavior by lots of skippers who only went out that one day of the year to see the Blue Angels. He said, "No, we don't have funding for fuel, but they had to let us go out one day a month to keep our certifications valid!"

How helpful.

You may also recall the kerfluffles in Michigan and Ohio a few years ago (maybe Florida, too) where LEOs (NOT the CG) were repeatedly pulling over the same skippers many times a day - pure harassment. It eventually took some local legislation to stop that nonsense.

I'd vote in a heartbeat for some new candidate for office whose motto is:

"My goal is to REDUCE the number of stupid laws, and to enforce the ones already on the books!"
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,432
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
My earlier point was in reference to numerous posts which appear to disparage CG licensing, licensing agencies, and "captains" who have CG licenses. I was simply saying that this guy's behavior and the consequence of his behavior has nothing to do with any of the licensing issues that were being disparaged.

It's a behavioral problem, not a problem that is related to the fact that this "captain" happens to have a CG 6-PAK license. It doesn't matter that he passed all of the requirements and provisions for his license. It was his behavior which caused the accident, not his lack of knowledge for any of the Colregs.

Of course, I was being facetious with respect to my comments about throwing out licensing and government regulation. That was just to get a rise out of you!
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
Ya know.....in retrospect, I think I might go along with Scott here. In giving this more thought today, that must be it. Really, not many people could be that stupid, it almost HAS to be a personality defect of some kind. For instance today I'm walking in a store, and out walks this dude in a short sleeved shirt, and it was blowing cold today. Without opening another can of worms I hope...people are not impervious to the cold. I think it's a desire for other people to observe them in inappropriate dress, a need for attention or something. And another woman that was dressed like Lady Gaga and driving a hummer. BIG time need of some attention. Or trying to make up for some deficiency of some kind.

So no, this bloke wanted the others on the boat to see what a badass he is? To the peril of others, common sense was utterly disregarded. And I happen to know a CG ticket is not a giveaway. (And I promise I didn't mean to crack on anyone else that holds the same ticket). So he was a nut. That is actually easier to accept, than him being that dumb to me..
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,345
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Almost time to move this to the war room. :stirthepot:
Nahhh...:D:D:D

Scott's right, he did get my attention.

But...but...but...:naughty:

We actually AGREE! :eek::eek::eek:

Will wonders never cease. :):):)


Scott, I hope it warms up asap for you and yours. Heavy winter you're having, and we're in a darned drought, but think of Smitty "wintering over" in Boston! More like "wintering UNDER" I'd think. :cussing:

And we all agree that that skipper was a lunatic! "Prudent"???:cry::cry::cry:
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,062
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
Ya know.....in retrospect, I think I might go along with Scott here. In giving this more thought today, that must be it. Really, not many people could be that stupid, it almost HAS to be a personality defect of some kind. For instance today I'm walking in a store, and out walks this dude in a short sleeved shirt, and it was blowing cold today. Without opening another can of worms I hope...people are not impervious to the cold. I think it's a desire for other people to observe them in inappropriate dress, a need for attention or something. And another woman that was dressed like Lady Gaga and driving a hummer. BIG time need of some attention. Or trying to make up for some deficiency of some kind.

So no, this bloke wanted the others on the boat to see what a badass he is? To the peril of others, common sense was utterly disregarded. And I happen to know a CG ticket is not a giveaway. (And I promise I didn't mean to crack on anyone else that holds the same ticket). So he was a nut. That is actually easier to accept, than him being that dumb to me..
Yah, I saw a few Wisconsin golfers in town today, dressed as if it were upper 80's F. Crazy.

Not necessarily a need for attention, but a lack of observer perspective.
 
Nov 26, 2008
1,970
Endeavour 42 Cruisin
I would agree with Scott except for the post made earlier that the butt head had SIX prior infractions. He should have lost his ticket after number 2 or 3.
Instead of enforcing the rules we have, the govt agencies are busy coming up with new ones that only us law abiding people who don't need them will follow!
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
Most of the times when you HAVE a license, "the man" doesn't want you to HAVE it. They only want you to have a license so they can take it away from you as punishment- as should have happened to this guy. However, pulling his captains license would probably not stop him from being on the water- and as much a hazard as ever..

In this OP case, having a license is no guarantee of anything other than they guy was able to get it, however so done.
 
Nov 24, 2012
586
Same day - different part of Florida a guy decided to pass other cars in heavy fog on the 7 mile bridge (one lane each way - posted speed limit 55). Obviously a licensed driver.

He died but fortunately all others survived including those in the car he hit.

As a licensed captain as well as a licensed driver I'm well aware of the rules. However there is an element of common sense that should come into play in any activity.
 
Sep 18, 2014
22
Wharram Tiki Belfast ME
Same day - different part of Florida a guy decided to pass other cars in heavy fog on the 7 mile bridge (one lane each way - posted speed limit 55). Obviously a licensed driver.

He died but fortunately all others survived including those in the car he hit. .
Darwin wins again. Can only hope his defective DNA was not passed on.
 
Jan 6, 2010
1,520
This happened here in Florida & I hate to read this stuff. Luckily, no one was killed & only a few minor injuries on the boat.

But for shear luck, this could have killed folks on the beach & in the restaurant, not to mention the kayak fatalities.

I know his GPS must have been on so, the excuse of knot knowing where he was won't fly. There was a thick sea fog all day & do you need four big gas-eating 300 HP motors running full out in a thick fog? People will NEVER fail at disappointing you.

Alot of sailors complain of powerboaters & some of their claims are valid. That being said, many of my "Powerboat" friends are accomplished boaters so, this also made them livid. It's not the type of boat that matters, but the type of operator.

I haven't read an update to this but I feel this guy should lose his driving license as defined by law & hopefully, his insurance company will deny his claim. If you want to get someone's FULL attention, hit his wallet hard.

CR
 
Jun 11, 2011
1,243
Hunter 41 Lewes
I haven't read an update to this but I feel this guy should lose his driving license as defined by law & hopefully, his insurance company will deny his claim. If you want to get someone's FULL attention, hit his wallet hard.

CR
Amen
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
first off praise the good Lord that nobody was hurt seriously, God does look out for dummies.
Licensing only allows law enforcement to really throw the book at you when you demonstrate you did not follow the rules that it has been proven you where taught.
USCG licensing is setting a base line of understanding (and that is a good thing). As others have posted that does not insure adherence to the rules. Nor does is insure that the licensee is copis mentis.
Safety on the waters is all about prudence and common sense. Lots of marinas don't allow gas BBQing at the slip because it only takes one non-copus mentis person to set the whole dock on fire.
I'm thinking that licensing only encourages folks with a reasonable amount of gray matter (but no common sense) to do really stupid things because "I have a captain's license" so now "all my decisions are good ones".
Course you cannot get away from natural selection. Unfortunately, there poor judgment is a cause of danger for the rest of us.
 
Jan 6, 2010
1,520
Bill,

Great minds think alike pal.

Ya know, it doesn't matter if he is a licensed captain or not. If you are cited for a boating infraction here in Florida, it does carry over to your driver's license & vice versa, if you have a USCG ticket.

CR