Anchor testing

Jan 1, 2006
7,994
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
What surprises me about that data, which I think came from the SAIL article, is that we're challenged to find an anchor which provides holding greater than 1,500 lbs. and even over a 1,000 lbs. for the other anchors. I must not understand these numbers because posters on this forum have almost all remained anchored in conditions which would have created greater forces. In other words, on a 30 to 35 foot boat in 30+ knots of wind (I couldn't find the exact reference.) How is it that most of use have remained anchored at forces that must exceed the forces of this test - in less ideal circumstances? Is it the mud bottom? Is a power pull different than windage on a boat? Are there differences in the forces measured in a test vs. real life? I don't get it.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
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Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
What surprises me about that data, which I think came from the SAIL article, is that we're challenged to find an anchor which provides holding greater than 1,500 lbs. and even over a 1,000 lbs. for the other anchors. I must not understand these numbers because posters on this forum have almost all remained anchored in conditions which would have created greater forces. In other words, on a 30 to 35 foot boat in 30+ knots of wind (I couldn't find the exact reference.) How is it that most of use have remained anchored at forces that must exceed the forces of this test - in less ideal circumstances? Is it the mud bottom? Is a power pull different than windage on a boat? Are there differences in the forces measured in a test vs. real life? I don't get it.
Because we set our anchors, reel out the proper scope, dig them in real well, and leave them alone. This is a weird test; after set they go to shortening scope, loading them up, and seeing when they release. It is a kedging anchor test. And my favorite kedge anchor won - Fortress.
 
Apr 20, 2012
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Did you do any reversing testing, i.e. 180 degree change in direction of pull?
Unfortunately not. During the course of four full days, each anchor was tested 5x for a total of 60 pulls, which we felt was a required and respectable benchmark.

Since several of the anchors tested did not engage and develop much resistance in this soft mud during these straight line pulls, when they should have performed optimally, then as you might imagine their results would not have improved if we conducted off center load testing.

What surprises me about that data, which I think came from the SAIL article, is that we're challenged to find an anchor which provides holding greater than 1,500 lbs. and even over a 1,000 lbs. for the other anchors. I must not understand these numbers because posters on this forum have almost all remained anchored in conditions which would have created greater forces. In other words, on a 30 to 35 foot boat in 30+ knots of wind (I couldn't find the exact reference.) How is it that most of use have remained anchored at forces that must exceed the forces of this test - in less ideal circumstances? Is it the mud bottom? Is a power pull different than windage on a boat? Are there differences in the forces measured in a test vs. real life? I don't get it.
The data referenced in the Sail magazine article is from the Horizontal Loads Table (image below), which has been published by the American Boat & Yacht Council (ABYC).

Bob Taylor, a 45+ year retired US Navy anchor design and soil mechanics expert, who consulted for us on this project, had this to say about the ABYC tables:

"I checked on the basis of the ABYC table. It includes a factor of safety of 3 to account for waves and for current so the numbers are probably realistic. What this means is that the loads specified are high if all I have to deal with is wind but as soon as current and wind enter into the equation a boat may assume an orientation that results in a larger projected
wind and current drag areas.

Wind and current can come from different directions so the boat will assume an equilibrium position that resolves all the forces. If I presume that this load is realistic then I need to select an anchor that will safely hold this load so I need to provide a factor of safety to the anchor selection. If I do a full up dynamic analysis to determine loads then most regulatory agencies suggest sizing an anchor with a factor of safety of 1.5.

So, let's assume that the loads in the table reflect that of a dynamic analysis because they presume that wind, waves and current are considered. At a minimum an anchor should hold 50% more than that in the table (my suggestion). If I were being really safe I would suggest a factor of safety of 2 because of the uncertainties in bottom condition."



Shemandr, I know that you just asked me what time it is and I told you how to build a clock, but hopefully this answer, at least in part, will help. While many of us, including the boating media aboard, were surprised by some of the results, particularly for the "new generation" anchors, Bob was not, as he stated that anchors which are designed for harder soils will oftentimes have a holding ratio (holding capacity divided by anchor weight) of only 10-15 when used in a soft soil.

This is almost exactly what we found in the soft mud of the Chesapeake Bay, as almost all of the 44-46 lb anchors had averaged peak tensions of 450-700 lbs.
 

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Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
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Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
...This is almost exactly what we found in the soft mud of the Chesapeake Bay, as almost all of the 44-46 lb anchors had averaged peak tensions of 450-700 lbs.
Your graphing presents transitory peak tension under variable load. Not a set that holds a constant peak tension across several minutes. Do you have a graph that depicts constant load held across time?
 
Apr 20, 2012
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So, will you?
Justsomeguy, we will not go back to the Chesapeake Bay for further testing in soft mud. We have discussed additional testing in sand, and if we do, then hopefully we will be able to conduct off center load tests at that time.

In the meantime, please find below a summary of the Sailing Foundation tests in 1995 when anchors were pulled from straight, then 90° and finally 180° directions. The maximum pull capacity was 4,000+ lbs.

Your graphing presents transitory peak tension under variable load. Not a set that holds a constant peak tension across several minutes. Do you have a graph that depicts constant load held across time?
Gunni, this should help:

http://fortressanchors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Chespeake-Bay-Anchor-Test-Aug.2014.pdf
 

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Feb 20, 2011
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Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
Justsomeguy, we will not go back to the Chesapeake Bay for further testing in soft mud. We have discussed additional testing in sand, and if we do, then hopefully we will be able to conduct off center load tests at that time.

In the meantime, please find below a summary of the Sailing Foundation tests in 1995 when anchors were pulled from straight, then 90° and finally 180° directions. The maximum pull capacity was 4,000+ lbs.
1995?
Looking forward to seeing the new generation anchors tested under those real world conditions.
Thanks.
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,994
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
Shemandr, I know that you just asked me what time it is and I told you how to build a clock, but hopefully this answer, at least in part, will help.
I did re-find the referenced table after my post. I noted that holding was far higher in sandy bottoms over mud. So, I guess in part my concern about the low numbers for all anchors in comparison with the predicted forces in higher wind are related to the bottom material. As far as the safety factor, I gather that you mean it is built into the recommendations for anchor size and therefore makes those numbers appear to be higher. Right? Even with instructions I could not build a watch!
 
Apr 20, 2012
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1995?
Looking forward to seeing the new generation anchors tested under those real world conditions.
Thanks.
There have been other recent tests involving new generation anchors and I would be glad to send you the results that I have on file. One of the more recent tests was from the May 2012 issue of Voile, a French sailing magazine. Please send me a PM with your e-mail address.

Concerning the Chesapeake Bay test, we laid out a 5:1 scope + 100 feet, which resulted in about a 8.3:1 starting scope, and then using the aft winch, we pulled back the 100 feet at a rate of 10 feet per minute, as recommended by Bob Taylor for soft mud testing.

Every anchor was given a total of 100 feet / 10 minutes to engage the bottom and develop resistance, or not.

I did re-find the referenced table after my post. I noted that holding was far higher in sandy bottoms over mud. So, I guess in part my concern about the low numbers for all anchors in comparison with the predicted forces in higher wind are related to the bottom material. As far as the safety factor, I gather that you mean it is built into the recommendations for anchor size and therefore makes those numbers appear to be higher. Right? Even with instructions I could not build a watch!
Obviously in a soft mud bottom, the holding capability of all anchors will be greatly diminished versus a harder soil, so the bottom type certainly has to be taken into consideration when choosing an anchor for your cruising grounds, as well as possible wind speeds that you might encounter.

If you are anchoring in soft mud and are likely to encounter winds above 30 knots, then sizing up to a larger model is always worthy of consideration.