Does this genoa looked blown out to you?

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
I have been looking around for a good used furling genoa and came across this one. I know you can't go by a picture but would like others input. It has no patches, looks clean and has a foam luff. The guy selling isn't a sailor so not much help. Not sure if it's the way he has it laid out but looks like quite a belly on it. I can get at a fairly good price.
 

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Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Seems OK but , remember you are looking at a genoa not a main sail. Drifters and genoa tend to have more belly than a main.
Chief
 

DougM

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Jul 24, 2005
2,242
Beneteau 323 Manistee, MI
In my opinion, from the photo, that sail appears to have passed its useful life as anything that would assume an airfoil shape if its dacron, maybe it could be recut, but I doubt it. If its a spinnaker cloth, that may be another story.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,318
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
The most important thing is the remaining stiffness in the cloth. If it is soft and doesn't "crinkle" when you fold it... like a bedsheet. Then pass. If it has stiffness and feels like construction paper when you bend or roll it... it's good. If you don't like the shape, you can have it recut, but there's nothing you can do if the cloth is worn out. Ooops... there will be some that say www.sailrite.com can revive worn out cloth. I have no experience with them, though. How much is the seller asking?
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
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1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
In my opinion, from the photo, that sail appears to have passed its useful life as anything that would assume an airfoil shape if its dacron, maybe it could be recut, but I doubt it. If its a spinnaker cloth, that may be another story.
That's what I was thinking. Probably the #1 reason a used furling genoa is for sale is because it was worn out and replaced. Hank-on's are a different story since perfectly good hank-on's are being replaced by furling headsails. This sail was made by D & D Sailmakers and I can't find beans about them. Must went out of business years ago.
 
Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
I would go by feel before I went by shape on the ground. Does it have any stiffness let? If it is soft and limp (sorry guys!), it is old and past its prime. I would not even put it on my boat. Buy it as an crutch sail for blue water sailing only... It will help you limp into port! If you don't need it for that... There is nothing like the feel of that firm, stiff, crinkly dacron of a new sail between your fingers! Thanks, Andrew
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
The most important thing is the remaining stiffness in the cloth. If it is soft and doesn't "crinkle" when you fold it... like a bedsheet. Then pass. If it has stiffness and feels like construction paper when you bend or roll it... it's good. If you don't like the shape, you can have it recut, but there's nothing you can do if the cloth is worn out. Ooops... there will be some that say www.sailrite.com can revive worn out cloth. I have no experience with them, though. How much is the seller asking?
The price is right at $550 shipped. I can save more if I have my brother pick it up for me in Florida. Still.....I don't want to be stuck with a $550 bed sheet.
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
I would go by feel before I went by shape on the ground. Does it have any stiffness let? If it is soft and limp (sorry guys!), it is old and past its prime. I would not even put it on my boat. Buy it as an crutch sail for blue water sailing only... It will help you limp into port! If you don't need it for that... There is nothing like the feel of that firm, stiff, crinkly dacron of a new sail between your fingers! Thanks, Andrew
Dang.....you need a cigarette after that? :) I wish I was there to feel it but can only go by pics.......
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
more pics

These pics may not help much. I noticed in the logo pic that that panel was double stitched on one seam and single stitched on the other. Also, is the wavy fabric a good sign it's basically a Godzilla snot rag now?
 

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Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
Www.sailcare.com is the one that supposedly can reinstate some of the resin in the fabric, not Sail Rite.

However, if the fabric is old and stretched out, no amount of re-resining is going to restore its shape...
 
May 24, 2004
7,213
CC 30 South Florida
Ditto on what Joe and Agprice say. The texture on the material will tell whether its got some life left in it. As for the shape, if you intend to race the boat it might be a concern if not it will be fine.
 

jimg

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Jun 5, 2004
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catalina 27 dana point
That is not a $550 sail. If you can't physically inspect it, don't get it. Find something more local and follow Joe's advice on texture and feel. I personally think that one is toast.
 
Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
Look at Doyle. I got a new 150 for my 272 for less than $1000. What boat is this for? How big is it? You could get a new 135 for a 272 for 600-700. Why not get a new sail? Check out your options! At least it will give you bargaining leverage.

Thanks,
Andrew
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,995
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
Tostado. It looks to me like everything but sun protection has stretched making one big pillowcase. For $500, or $100 - No thanks.
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
I have decided to pass on this sail thanks to all the great input I got here. My boat will not be splashed until next Spring anyway (hopefully). I am going to save up and get a new one......most likely a Rolly Tasker from NSS. I heard great things about them and the price is right. Anyone with a std rig C30 with a furler know their luff length off hand? They stock the C30 headsails but not for the Hunter 30. I need 39' max luff with the extended tangs on my new Profurl. I know the h30 and c30 headsails are pretty much the same.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
As Joe stated, such decisions should be based on the remaining condition of the fabric. A jib/genoa sail that has been overstressed and will typically have its foot and leech permanently stretched; plus, you should carefully examine the conditions of the tack and clew cringles for signs of excess wear and tear ... indicating high use.

When evaluating a sail thats been on a roller furler for a long time, what you should be looking for is UV 'burn' or a weakness of the fabric due to sun exposure, even if there is a 'sun cover'. How to do this is: first look for zones of broken or sun damaged polyester stitching ... stitching that needs to be replaced will look old and 'greyish' - look at the stitching near the leech as flogging is the chief destroyer of stitching.
Then take a screwdriver and attempt to push it through the fabric at the 'corners', but not in the area of the 'patches' but just beyond them in the unsupported areas - head, tack, and clew. A thoroughly sun weakened sail will allow the screwdriver, etc. to easily penetrate *through* the fabric without much force. The 'corners' of any sail are the zones of where the highest stress and any weakness in the fabric will show up in these places before any other areas.

Sails are 3 dimensional surfaces; that curvature (so-called belly) determines where the zone of maximum draft occurs. To evaluate jibs/genoas, have 3 persons each pulling on a corner pull the sail off the ground and simply see approximately where the 'maximum draft' (belly) occurs ... it should be at approximately 30-40% of the chord length back from the luff. Then, while holding and tensioning those 3 corners look at the shape of the leech ... it should be essentially flat; not cupping up nor sagging toward the ground .... FLAT. The worst shape will be when those corners are pulled and with the sail off the ground is a leech that is sagging towards the ground, not 'flat'.

From the pics but without seeing where the point at which that maximum draft is located ... it initially looks like a decent sail to me based on the pic. The real key in evaluation is remaining sail cloth quality.

For foam luffs, ... they only last a few years before the foam permanently deforms in a compressed state. Foam luffs normally are replaced every 5, etc. years. The foam luff on the sail in the pic, to me, looks to be too damn small and doesnt extend far enough aft of the luff ... but Id really need to see how the sail 'rolls up' on a furler to be sure.