Venture Educated Guess When Catalina 36 #1700 Was Built?

Jun 21, 2007
2,118
Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
Per the title subject line, anybody know how to find out when Catalina 36 Hull#1700 was built?

I am asking because for the past 6-7 years, I have sailed 200+ times with the full battened OEM mainsail from that boat which I bought second hand.

Today, I botched a reef shake out just as the wind unexpectedly shifted 90 degrees in just a few seconds. The sail fabric ripped.

So long-in-the-tooth, the sail is not worth repairing.

But I would like to know how many total years the sail was in service. It was a real trooper!
 
Jun 21, 2007
2,118
Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
On the sail, only the hull number ... but not the full VIN which yes would include a standard code for yesr and month of manufacture.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,348
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Catalina 36 Hull#1700 was built?

They made 2,000 of those great boats, really our sistership, or us is theirs! :)

Anyway, they stopped our C34s at 1,800 exactly. In around 2005-7. I really should know the date, but I've tried to forget it. :)

C36 #1700 would be a Mark II, post 1994. They stopped the C36 maybe a year before ours.

Try the C36ia guys, they're nice. Tell 'em I sent you.

https://www.catalina36.org/forums/c36ia-forums-now-available-through-tapatalk-c36375ia

rardi, for the purposes of your "investigation," figure anywhere from 2003-5, say ten years.
 
Apr 11, 2012
324
Cataina 400 MK II Santa Cruz
You can tell by the VIN. It's a bit confusing, (I've heard several conflicting descriptions) but as near as I can figure:

Here is a sample VIN number for you:

CTYXHHHHDYMM

CTY = Catalina
X = Design (I don't know the codes)
H = Hull Number
D = Date (month) of certification (it's a letter: Jan=A, Feb=B, etc.)
Y = Last digit of the year of production
MM = Model Year

As you can see, the month and year are at the end.
It's interesting that the number of Y tells when the boat was built. On my boat, for example the last digits are F304. It's a 2004 model - but built in June of 03

Well, that's all I got for you. Here are some of the sites I used:






Here's from the C34 website:

http://www.c34.org/faq-pages/faq-hin.html


MMMhhhhhddyy
MMM = Manufacturer’s Identification Code
hhhhh = Hull Serial Number
dd = Date of Certification
For example "A4": The "A" stands for January, the "B" would stand for February, etc. The "4" stands for the last digit of the year of manufacture.
yy = Model Year


Reference: U.S. Coast Guard Auxiliary Boating Skills & Seamanship, 11th Edition, pages 2-2 and 2-3.

As you can see, the month and year are at the end.



Here's from Joe on Catalina Owners.com:


When you find the number... on a plate under the backstay or etched into the hull.. here is an excerpt from http://www.catalina27.org/ that tells you how to decipher it. ------------------------------------------------------------ How to Read the Hull ID Number There appears to be four numbering schemes in use. Dates for the transition from one scheme to the next might be off plus or minus a year, but I believe it looks something like this: 1971 - 1973, No HIN, just a metal plate at the transom (inside cockpit) 1973 - 1975, No letters for month built (e.g. CTYL16231074) 1975 - 1984, a mysterious "M" is a part of all HIN's (e.g.CTYH9353M80C) 1984 - present, Year built represented with a number (e.g. CTYH5390F697) Model Year. For the boating industry, the new model year starts in August. Since 1975, the Month Built information has been represented with a letter. In 1984 the lettering scheme was changed to make "A" represent the month of January. Here's a look at the two schemes: 1975 - 1984 Jan = F Feb = G Mar = H Apr = I May = J Jun = K Jul = L Aug = A Sep = B Oct = C Nov = D Dec = E 1984 - present Jan = A Feb = B Mar = C Apr = D May = E Jun = F Jul = G Aug = H Sep = I Oct = J Nov = K Dec = L The Model Year scheme in use between 1975 and 1984 derived the Year Built information from the Model Year and from the Month Built. For example, a boat whose last three letters of the HIN were 82A would actually be a 1982 model year Catalina 27 built in August of 1981. Here's three HIN's decoded: CTYL06121172 A Catalina 27 built in 1972. Sail number 0612. CTY = Manufacturer’s Identification Code (Catalina Yachts) L = Model (Catalina 27) 0612 = Hull Serial Number 11 = Month Built? 72 = Year Built CTYL4327M79J A 1979 model year Catalina 27. Built in October 1979. Sail number 4327. CTY = Manufacturer’s Identification Code (Catalina Yachts) L = Model (Catalina 27) 4327 = Hull Serial Number M = ??? 79 = Model Year (1979). August is the start of a new model year. C = Month Built (October). A=August, B=September, and so on. CTYB0184H495 A 1995 model year Catalina 270. Built in August 1994. Sail number 0184. CTY = Manufacturer’s Identification Code (Catalina Yachts) B = Model (Catalina 270) 0184 = Hull Serial Number H = Month Built (August). A=January, B=February, and so on. 4 = Year Built (1994). Last digit of the year of manufacture. 95 = Model Year (1995). August is the start of a new model year.
 
Jun 21, 2007
2,118
Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
Try the C36ia guys, they're nice. Tell 'em I sent you.

https://www.catalina36.org/forums/c36ia-forums-now-available-through-tapatalk-c36375ia

rardi, for the purposes of your "investigation," figure anywhere from 2003-5, say ten years.

Stu:

Thanks for the info. I didn't think it proper for a Hunter :eek: owner to register on the C36IA site to ask just one question in the forum. So instead I used the site's "Contact Us" feature to send the question to the "webmaster" by eMail.

rardi
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
4,004
Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
I too only have a 4 digit serial number on the hull plate. When I registered it I had to call Catalina in Woodland Hills, CA to get the HIN.
I called Catalina they are pulling your file and will call by the end of the day.
The old offices are still on Victory in Woodland Hills.
Is there anything else you need so I can ask when they call back?
You can also call the receptionist is very nice. 818 884-7700.
 
Jun 21, 2007
2,118
Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
I too only have a 4 digit serial number on the hull plate. When I registered it I had to call Catalina in Woodland Hills, CA to get the HIN.
I called Catalina they are pulling your file and will call by the end of the day.
The old offices are still on Victory in Woodland Hills.
Is there anything else you need so I can ask when they call back?
You can also call the receptionist is very nice. 818 884-7700.

CaGuy:

Boy! -- Thanks for your interest to go these lengths.

No, really not anything else.

As already said, I got many very very very good outings out of the what I am pretty sure is the sail that originally was delivered with Catalina 36's Hull #1700. It was a "Tough Mudder" until my mistake yesterday. (Guess that will happen to most of us sailors at some time or another in the past or future.)

Having a bit more info about the sail's history is of interest to me.

Here is a picture of the sail taken maybe four years ago. Flying it on a Hunter, it wouldn't do to create confusion, so I removed the Catalina 36 logo near the top. And to be whimsical, I removed the 17 from the 1700 number and filled in the center of the zeros with some blue self-stick dacron. Another modification I made soon after I bought the sail was to add a second reef point because of the strong winds in SF Bay's "the Slot". It was shaking out this reef (after being set there for several months) that before hoisting up on the halyard, I didn't untie one of the reef points that prevent the loose sail from flopping too much over the boom. I quickly noticed my omission when the hoisting stalled. But before I could let down the sail again, the wind shifted suddenly and filled up the sail = RIP!
 

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caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
4,004
Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
1998 HIN CTY1700B898

What did I win?
 
Jun 21, 2007
2,118
Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
caguy:

Many thanks.

The Catalina 36IA webmaster did respond to me, but said that I needed to register to access info from the forum members.

2014 - 1998 = 16 years. The sail manufacturer did well :). Might have been 20 years if I hadn't messed up ... and/or if the sail didn't see most of its lifespan dealing with conditions on central SF Bay.

1998 HIN CTY1700B898

What did I win?
Before I put the sail in the dumpster, as memory of your contribution, can I cut off a 11" x 8.5" rectangle of the fabric and write on it in my best penmanship "Per caguy: 2014 - 1998 OEM manufacturer date = It served well for 16 years". Then punch three holes along the 11" edge and put it my 3-ring owner's manual binder that I keep in nav station desk ? Is permanent marker green an OK color for the color of the print?

Kidding aside, again thanks.

rardi
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,348
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Why not see if it can get patched? Now that you finally made it possible to identify you out on The Bay with your unique "00" sail, you go and go stealth yet again! ;)