looking at an o'day 22

Phil Herring · Jul 15, 2014

I'd call that a "pass." You should be able to find a 22 footer for $2k that won't need any structural work. Some cosmetics, sure, but boat that age that needs that much work is a giveaway.

I'm curious to see what others say.

agprice22 · Jul 16, 2014

I agree. There are "giveaways" that don't need structural work. If you want to know what it is worth, search Craigslist. You will see plenty of boats for good prices. Also, the trailer and motor are a part of the package. Make sure you are getting a good trailer and motor, or that the package reflects the absence of those things. You could end up having to spend more to fix those things. I have bought packages where the motor and trailer were worth more than the boat, and some of these were still nice boats in need of cleaning but otherwise ready.

What about other structural issues? I would look closely at the keel / centerboard and rudder. I would look closely at all the other chainplates and rigging.

Another consideration is when the boat was last sailed. The longer it sits, the less it is worth because sails, lines, blocks, rigging go without cleaning and use. In what condition are all the control sails, lines, blocks, rigging, motor mount? You need to consider how much you are willing to spend to put this thing in the water.

Take someone who sails and who owns a sailboat to look with you. You will get a quick primer on how to look at a small sailboat.

Rig the boat or make sure you understand how it is rigged, so you can go through each system and make sure all the parts are there. Parts are expensive.

Make a list of everything that needs to be replaced or repaired, and think about whether you should subtract that from the price.

Thanks,

Andrew

Brian S · Jul 17, 2014

Whatever with what the seller says. Sellers will say anything to get you to buy. (Well, many will.) It's best to have 1st boat be one in decent shape, so you can do minimal work and go sailing. Buying a project boat as a 1st boat is a recipe for not having a usable boat. Unless you like working on things all the time, as opposed to using them.

agprice22 · Jul 17, 2014

Lines are halyards and sheets. They are made of rope. The halyards raise and lower sails, and the sheets adjust the sails. Stays (forestay and backstay) are stainless steel cable. Shrouds are like stays, but they are on the port and starboard sides of the mast. Stays and shrouds connect to the mast at their tops and to chainplates at the deck of the boat. Under the deck, many chainplates have backing plates. Stays keep the mast stabilized fore and aft. Shrouds keep the mast stabilized port and starboard.

Good for you having someone to check that boat out, but you say you haven't looked at it yet? Well, get on over there cause pictures are VERY vague in depicting actual problems! Take that sailor with you!

Check out those things I mentioned in my other post, especially craigslist!

Thanks,

Andrew

Indysailor · Jul 18, 2014

Having a realistic idea of the costs this will take to refurb is important. For moving the boat through water, you need a motor and sails. I'd pay very close attention to them both, because right away you could be in for close to $2K if you need new sails and a new motor. Or more. If you're savvy with outboards, it goes a long way.

If you want a very good guess at what some parts will cost new for a 22, visit DR marine. For instance, this page, specific to the 22 even tells what it will cost for individual lines- halyards, sheets, etc.

If the boat has issues with the standing rigging- the SS shrouds and stays, then a complete set will run from $440-$470 from DR. The nice thing is that Rudy has the specs for your boat and what he sells will more than likely fit first time (which I know from direct experience). You can buy individual parts of the standing rigging as well.

So sails, motor, rigging, gets you into the potential $2500 range in costs after purchase.

The structural problems you mentioned earlier are all relatively cheaply fixed, provided you have time to do them.

kpgraci · Jul 24, 2014

Coming in late on this I know, 2k is too high for a 22that needs work. I paid 1200 for a sail ready 22 with a trailer and the market has got worse for sellers. Bottom paint is understandable, cosmetic work sure, structural no, not at that price.

kpgraci · Jul 24, 2014

You are right about that. So many boats so little time. It's a lot about luck and keeping your eyes and options open. To me boats are like puppies at the pound, I want to adopt them all, but fortunately boats are after all just objects, costly objects to maintain at that, start as far ahead of the game as you can and you'll be happier for it.

agprice22 · Jul 24, 2014

Walk the docks, drive through the marinas' Winter storage areas, check Craigslist, look at boatyards, and look at the boattrader app. There are lots of great boats out there that are structurally sound, have good rigging, good sails, good trailers, and good motors. They just need some lines and cleaning. The Oday and Catalina 22 are good boats to start with. The C22 has the advantage of Catalina being a viable company with a great support system through Catalina Direct.

Every year a boat sits, it is worth a little less. Depending on your area, boats may not sell in the Winter, so you can knock money off the price if you buy in the late Summer or early Fall. I did that when buying.

You will find one to be proud to own. Take her home and make her proud, and she will take good care of you on the water!

There is nothing like a well cared for vessel!

Good Luck!

Andrew

Holo Kai · Jul 25, 2014

Definitely be patient and skip this one, there are some good deals to be had. For example, the link below is a 20ft mcgregor near you (i think) that has already been restored and is 2k. Look in surrounding areas also, I drove 3.5 hours to get mine. I understand your excitement! I was anxious when looking for my boat as well.

http://albany.craigslist.org/boa/4544491790.html

todd brown · Jul 26, 2014

Consider the O'Day 222 from 1984 thru 1989. Great boats. Spend a little more and get sailing. Enjoy. The keel centerboard setup is my choice over the C22 swing keel.

todd brown · Jul 27, 2014

Might be to much. Many times $3k will get you a ready to sail boat.

James19955 · Jul 28, 2014

Have you seen this?

I agree 100% with the comments about $2K being too much for a boat of that size and age which needs work.

I wanted to see the ad you mentioned but saw this instead. Its not an O'Day but Pearson built great boats and this seems close to you and within your budget and is a little bigger.

http://albany.craigslist.org/boa/4574039798.html

Good luck with the search and I'm sure you can find a better boat than the one you originally considered. Look at Craigslist at other areas that you might consider driving to - some come with trailers and that will allow you to drag to your home so you can do any work on it you want.

James

jeadstx · Jul 28, 2014

Have yo checked out Sailing Texas http://www.sailingtexas.com

Despite it saying Sailing Texas, it lists boats all over the country.

John

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