Doldrum and conundrums

[batricia]

Have a Daysailer, 1982 or so, no numbers,
and I have lost all paperwork on the purchase. Bought it years ago.
Having a lot of trouble registering it here in New Hampshire.
Have tried a Marine officer and a police officer to assign numbers to no avail.
I want to put a Honda 4 stroke on it.
My questions are
How to register it?
What size outboard would be sensible
Thanks,
Pat

 

[Sunbird22358]

I'd say the HONDA 2.5hp should work fine, the 5hp will be more power than your "need", but the weight would be more of an issue in my mind. I use a 4HP Johnson (2-stroke) long-shaft (short-shaft will "work" but long-shaft is better). My Johnson 4 weighs 38# and does affect the trim of the boat, not much but the 61# of the Honda 5 (plus the fuel tank) will definitely affect the trim! I have used a 2 hp Johnson and a 2.3 hp Johnson, both were plenty of power for me (surprizingly, the 2 hp did better, I think the propeller pitch and gearing were better matched to the DS II than hte 2.3hp was) The 4hp I have gives me just that little extra power when needed, but usually I run no more than 1/2 -3/4 throttle.

On registering, what do you refer to by "1982 so no numbers"? If no one has used a motor on the boat before, or used her i na state requiring registration for all boats, powered or not (I though NH was one of those?) then I could see that there would not be any previous Registration numbers, but all boats built since November 1, 1972 have had a Hull ID number, so the only problem with lost paperwork is the lack of the title.

Can you contact the person that you bought the boat from? If so, have them send you a new copy of the bill of sale (or a re-written copy if they didn't smartly save a copy for their records). I believe that New Hampshire is a Title-required state, so that gets sticky....... HOWEVER, I assume that the paperwork that you lost included your title? I would contact the New Hampshire Boat Registration office and inquire about a replacement title, it will cost a small fee (Mass charges around $10 +/-), but hopefully they can do that for you, They may need the title number........and that would be a problem, but it is still worth a try. Once you have that title, you should be all set. At least in NH you don't have to worry about the mistake that I made when I bought my Widgeon, and then waited until 4 months later to register her. I didn't realize that I only had 20 days to pay the sales tax (I figured that I'd pay it when I registered.......oops!). Since NH has no sales tax....... you are safe on that!

 

[batricia]

I'd say the HONDA 2.5hp should work fine, the 5hp will be more power than your "need", but the weight would be more of an issue in my mind. I use a 4HP Johnson (2-stroke) long-shaft (short-shaft will "work" but long-shaft is better). My Johnson 4 weighs 38# and does affect the trim of the boat, not much but the 61# of the Honda 5 (plus the fuel tank) will definitely affect the trim! I have used a 2 hp Johnson and a 2.3 hp Johnson, both were plenty of power for me (surprizingly, the 2 hp did better, I think the propeller pitch and gearing were better matched to the DS II than hte 2.3hp was) The 4hp I have gives me just that little extra power when needed, but usually I run no more than 1/2 -3/4 throttle.

On registering, what do you refer to by "1982 so no numbers"? If no one has used a motor on the boat before, or used her i na state requiring registration for all boats, powered or not (I though NH was one of those?) then I could see that there would not be any previous Registration numbers, but all boats built since November 1, 1972 have had a Hull ID number, so the only problem with lost paperwork is the lack of the title.

Can you contact the person that you bought the boat from? If so, have them send you a new copy of the bill of sale (or a re-written copy if they didn't smartly save a copy for their records). I believe that New Hampshire is a Title-required state, so that gets sticky....... HOWEVER, I assume that the paperwork that you lost included your title? I would contact the New Hampshire Boat Registration office and inquire about a replacement title, it will cost a small fee (Mass charges around $10 +/-), but hopefully they can do that for you, They may need the title number........and that would be a problem, but it is still worth a try. Once you have that title, you should be all set. At least in NH you don't have to worry about the mistake that I made when I bought my Widgeon, and then waited until 4 months later to register her. I didn't realize that I only had 20 days to pay the sales tax (I figured that I'd pay it when I registered.......oops!). Since NH has no sales tax....... you are safe on that!

Thanks very much! Great to have someone knowledgeable to consult on my quandaries.
I went through some very difficult years immediately following the purchase of my O'Day.
The bill of sale and name of her previous owner eludes me entirely. Grief can make a person terribly forgetful and disorganized. Now I have a chore ahead of me, getting my ducks in a row!
The boat has never had hull numbers.
I have gone over her with a fine tooth comb trying to find her numbers of origin. Correct me if I am unclear.
I do believe the boat is an 1982. One thing I do remember about the purchase of her is noting that she is almost as old as my daughter.
Regards
From
Batricia

 

[Golden Road]

Well ... you could just make up a hull number

 

[jepomer]

http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/dmv/registration/boat.htm

"Hull Identification Numbers (HIN): The Hull Identification Number is a unique 12-digit number assigned by the manufacturer to vessels built in 1973 to present. Owners of older vessels manufactured without a HIN or of homemade vessels that have not been assigned HIN should have a Verification of Vessel Identification completed by a New Hampshire law enforcement officer."

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New Hampshire does not require titles for boats older than 15 (?) years. Your boat is well out of the title age as are my boats in NH.

During the past few years, the State revised much of its record protocols. My O'Day 19 which had not been registered for a few years had to go through a more thorough process including having a police officer verify the HIN molded into the upper starboard portion of the transom.

Try to locate the HIN on your boat. It should have been an obvious molded-in number. It will start with "XDY..." followed by five digits/characters which define the model and hull (sail) number (hull numbers 4522 to 12943 for all Day Sailer II built — '82 should be around "10,000") followed by "M", then "82" (if it was built in 1982 model year) then a letter A to L representing the month of the build.

If you can locate the HIN on the transom, any police officer will be able to sign the proper form.

If you cannot find the HIN, the boat can be assigned a state HIN. It will start out "NHZ..."

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The Day Sailer II advertising specified 3-5 or up to 8 HP. Smaller is better on a small boat for balance.

 

[Sunbird22358]

On my 1979 model, the HIN is just about dead-center on hte outside of the transom.

 

[batricia]

Thank you muchly. We have searched for the HIN. I will do so again.