Do you view yourself as a Captain?

Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
I look at 'captain' as a recognized rank that I do not have, and therefore am uncomfortable with people calling me that.

It the USA it happens mostly at bridges, where the bridge operator does not see the boat yet, and the traffic is mostly commercial. So they use that word for all. I'm kind of used to that.

In places in Europe I've sailed where licences are required, most anybody hailing the driver of any boat will address them as captain. Even other drivers of small yachts. I'm still not used to that.
 
Oct 24, 2010
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Hunter 30 Everett, WA
Around here the term is "Skipper." I don't often hear the term "Captain" except before I retired when we referred to airline pilot in command as "Captain". I always thought it sounded a bit stuffy anyway.
 
Aug 20, 2010
1,399
Oday 27 Oak Orchard
Crazy Dave and Woodster. I will start a new thread once I scan some pictures that might bring back some memories. Yes Bucks' Brand was the name of the joint. Somebody shot it up in 76 so the place was put off limits.
 

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Jun 1, 2004
8,179
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
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Is this not abit off-tangent of the original thread question?

CR
Captain, respectfully may I suggest a small clarification. I think you mean: "off on(at) a tangent".

a tangent is an entirely different topic or direction. When you want a break from geometry class, you might ask your teacher about his hobby of woodworking, ...
And yes........... he has gone off on a tangent is taking this thread off topic.
 
Jan 22, 2008
507
Catalina 310 278 Lyndeborough NH
The word CAPTAIN has both a formal rank meaning and a less formal identifier of a person in a leadership position. It is interesting to look at the dictionary definitions and origins of the two words.

I don't call myself "captain" or "skipper" but am the responsible person for my boat (as I would be in my car).

My wife originally humorously accepted being called a "boat ornament" but embraced her proper title "admiral".

FROM THE DICTIONARY:
CAPTAIN |ˈkaptən|

noun
the person in command of a ship.
• the pilot in command of a civil aircraft.
• a naval officer of high rank, in particular (in the US Navy or Coast Guard) an officer ranking above commander and below commodore.
• an army officer of high rank, in particular (in the US Army, Marine Corps, or Air Force) an officer ranking above first lieutenant and below major.
• a police officer in charge of a precinct, ranking below a chief: captain of the 20th precinct.
• the head of a precinct's fire department.
• the leader of a team, esp. in sports.
• a powerful or influential person in a particular field: a captain of industry.
• a political party leader in a local district.
• a supervisor of waiters or bellboys.

verb [ with obj. ]
be the captain of (a ship, aircraft, or sports team).

ORIGIN late Middle English (in the general sense ‘chief or leader’): from Old French capitain (superseding earlier chevetaigne ‘chieftain’), from late Latin capitaneus ‘chief,’ from Latin caput, capit- ‘head.’


SKIPPER |ˈskipər| informal
noun

the captain of a ship or boat.
• the captain of a team in a game or sport.
• the captain of an aircraft.

verb [ with obj. ]
act as captain of.

ORIGIN late Middle English: from Middle Dutch and Middle Low German schipper, from schip ‘ship.’
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,016
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
FROM THE DICTIONARY:
CAPTAIN |ˈkaptən|

noun
the person in command of a ship.
• the pilot in command of a civil aircraft. Sully
• a naval officer of high rank, in particular (in the US Navy or Coast Guard) an officer ranking above commander and below commodore. Captain Bligh
• an army officer of high rank, in particular (in the US Army, Marine Corps, or Air Force) an officer ranking above first lieutenant and below major. Patton
• a police officer in charge of a precinct, ranking below a chief: captain of the 20th precinct. Hal Linden
• the head of a precinct's fire department. Dennis Leary
• the leader of a team, esp. in sports. Derek Jeter
• a powerful or influential person in a particular field: a captain of industry. Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, the Facebook & Twitter jerks
• a political party leader in a local district. Boss Tweed
• a supervisor of waiters or bellboys. see: Budapest Hotel
[\quote]

Thanks for the opportunity to identify some of these captains.
 
Aug 20, 2010
1,399
Oday 27 Oak Orchard
I think you are on to something jepomer. This may be why so many of us are uncomfortable being referred to as Captain. In the examples you have illustrated these positions were appointed by a higher authority instead of self assigned. Incidences of mutiny could then be applied since property and life was put in the care of the Captain. In our cases an attempt to seize control of our boats would most likely be a matter of theft. Not sure, any lawyers?
 
Jun 8, 2004
2,937
Catalina 320 Dana Point
the head of a precinct's fire department. Dennis Leary
Not Kurt Russell or Steve McQueen ? I thought they LOOKED like better officers.
I think Bligh was the innocent victim of a smear campaign BTW.
 
Apr 8, 2010
1,606
Frers 33 41426 Westport, CT
Having only read over page 1 of this, I may be saying something already added in page 2 and 3, but here's my view on this....

I am the captain of my vessel, and when the CG or someone needs to speak to someone in charge and asks for captain, I immediately respond without hesitation. The captain of a vessel is the person ultimately in charge of it's operation and safety, and that person is me.

I am a Skipper (among other titles at various times like mechanic, cook, chamber maid etc), per the definition above being the master of a fishing or pleasure vessel. I earn my living doing non maritime based activity, and I pay for the time I spend on the water in one form or another.

I am NOT a Captain.... A Captain is someone who has formally studied the sea and has done extensive training and testing, they are USCG certified as such (or some other military branch), and they generally make their living being a professional mariner, being paid for their time on the water.

I am not egotistical enough to expect, or even request, that people refer to me by anything other than my name, expect when communicating over the VHF radio, and then only because that is improper radio protocol.
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
Captain Stubing....

Having only read over page 1 of this, I may be saying something already added in page 2 and 3, but here's my view on this....

I am the captain of my vessel, and when the CG or someone needs to speak to someone in charge and asks for captain, I immediately respond without hesitation. The captain of a vessel is the person ultimately in charge of it's operation and safety, and that person is me.

I am a Skipper (among other titles at various times like mechanic, cook, chamber maid etc), per the definition above being the master of a fishing or pleasure vessel. I earn my living doing non maritime based activity, and I pay for the time I spend on the water in one form or another.

I am NOT a Captain.... A Captain is someone who has formally studied the sea and has done extensive training and testing, they are USCG certified as such (or some other military branch), and they generally make their living being a professional mariner, being paid for their time on the water.

I am not egotistical enough to expect, or even request, that people refer to me by anything other than my name, expect when communicating over the VHF radio, and then only because that is improper radio protocol.
.....wonder if he was all or none of the above:D
 
Jan 6, 2010
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I like threads like this, that spawn many varying opinions.

I got a kick out of all the posts from Jackdaw down to Woodster. So, on the captain vs. skipper discussion, I would say the latter term "Skipper" would be the most comfortable title for most.

Hell, I even had the benefit of having my grammar corrected. Thank goodness I had my spell checker turned on.

This reminded me of my high school English teacher. Her first time addressing the class she said, "Good morning students, my name is Mrs. Steen & this rhythms with mean." You two wouldn't happen to be related to each other, are you?

CR
 
Apr 8, 2010
1,606
Frers 33 41426 Westport, CT
.....wonder if he was all or none of the above:D
There is a difference between captain and Captain... grammar. Also there is a big difference between being "a Captain", and being "the captain of the Vessel".


EDIT:
Think of it like this, a 16yr old can take Dad's car out for a spin, and he is "the driver", but he's not a licensed professional commercial truck Driver.
 
Jan 27, 2008
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ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
There is a difference between captain and Captain... grammar. Also there is a big difference between being "a Captain", and being "the captain of the Vessel". EDIT: Think of it like this, a 16yr old can take Dad's car out for a spin, and he is "the driver", but he's not a licensed professional commercial truck Driver.
A coast guard license is a "Master Mariner" with ratings for various size vessels, endorsements for specialties such as sailing or towing and for inland versus offshore. It all depends on your experience and coursework and sea time. The license does not call you a "captain" you become a master mariner. To me a "captain" is a military rank in the Navy or Marines or Coast Guard as it relates to sea duty.
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
4,915
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
A coast guard license is a "Master Mariner" with ratings for various size vessels, endorsements for specialties such as sailing or towing and for inland versus offshore. It all depends on your experience and coursework and sea time. The license does not call you a "captain" you become a master mariner. To me a "captain" is a military rank in the Navy or Marines or Coast Guard as it relates to sea duty.
A USCG license is only a certificate of competency as "master" of a vessel within the stated restrictions there in. It stipulates that the licensee is an officer in the US Merchant Marine, but nowhere does it state that the holder is a "Master Mariner", a title relating to proficiency and experience, as in "master" craftsman and normally reserved for the most senior and experienced captains; usually those with unlimited or unrestricted master's certificates.
 
Jan 27, 2008
3,086
ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
A USCG license is only a certificate of competency as "master" of a vessel within the stated restrictions there in. It stipulates that the licensee is an officer in the US Merchant Marine, but nowhere does it state that the holder is a "Master Mariner", a title relating to proficiency and experience, as in "master" craftsman and normally reserved for the most senior and experienced captains; usually those with unlimited or unrestricted master's certificates.
A Master Mariner License qualifies the licensee to be the person in command of a commercial vessel within the restrictions stated in the license. Perhaps we are engaged in semantics but in very bold letters it is a Master Mariner License. My license was as a Master of up to 50T inland and near coastal mate with sailing and towing endorsements. How about yourself?.
 
Jan 6, 2010
1,520
I did not intend my reply to be this long, however, I thought what needed to be conveyed was warranted.

Capta, Your description was well put. I hope this clarifies some of the discrepancies in the thinking of some.

For the official record, My license says this:
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U.S. Merchant Marine Officer
Master of Steam, Motor or Auxiliary Sail Vessels not to exceed 100 Gross Tons. Also authorized to Engage in Commercial Assistance Towing.
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I remember when taking the USCG course, halfway thru, one female student asked the instructor, "I keep hearing you use the term "Beam of the Boat", what does that mean"?

Are you kidding me?

The base requirement for this course was a 720 days sea time requisite. In all of that req'd. sea time, she had never heard this term used once before.........Again, really?

The fallacy in all of this, was although she tested well & passed why, from lying & cheating the requirements, she passed the course. Why? Because the course was designed to let cheaters pass. The impetus was to collect the course fees & allow the payees to cheat & pass the test. The objective was on, "How to pass the test rather than are you experienced enough to REALLY be qualified to pass the test."

How can this happen you ask yourself? Many courses are designed to insure that you pass the test based on answering the known questions. These are based on the previous USCG 5 or 6 passed tests. The USCG is very anal-retentive department & they barely venture anew, so the same questions show up in multiple tests. This equates to Course businesses knowing what automatic answers to teach thus, enabling a student to pass by teaching you what multiple choices you have to pen. The way the test is designed, it's knowing what the correct answers are before you start the test and not, experience of actual sea time & gained knowledge that should be the core requirement needed to take the course in the first place.

So I ask you all, do you think she is a REAL captain under the COLREG definitions, or a SEARS Captain (aka Frank Zappa? You need to decide). Knowing this, would you trust her to "CAPTAIN/SKIPPER" your boat in all conditions, not I.

Knowing all of this, how do you equate this to someone that does not own a boat, has not the required years of occupational experience yet, she sits now thinking she is the real deal.

So, after relating this to you all, are we now on the same track in thought? I just don't understand the vessel-owning folks feeling they cannot be called a captain or skipper yet, having given their time & sweat to perfect their craft, why must it be a feeling of unworthiness for the sake of someone in passing a salutation-type title maybe called out to you on the dock? If not feeling worthy, how about something like, "Hey pal," is that more appropriate?

As Shakespeare once penned, "Tis much ado about nothing." If you own & operate a vessel you are that vessel's Master and/or Skipper & or captain & or pal. If you feel you're a good skipper, licensed or not, why fret over the un-sequential semantics.

Look at the USCG final report on the sinking of the Bounty that came out today. The "Licensed Captain Walbridge", was a seasoned captain of some fifteen years on the Bounty. A Master/Captain who obviously thought he was bigger & smarter than Mother Nature & the massive hurricane bearing down on him & his crew. This ended up costing two souls, all because of his ignorance, arrogance & diluted pride. I wonder how Claudene Christian would respond, had she survived.

As I had asked in an earlier post, have you as a captain/master/skipper or operator killed anyone in your years of operating your vessel? If not, the term Skipper is more than adequate. Embrace this term of endearment, for you have earned it.

Why muddle ourselves in petty semantics?

CR