Strut Gone Pink - Failed During Cutlass Bearing Replacement

Jun 21, 2007
2,117
Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
I posted a "where-to-get-the-part" query yesterday on the Cherubini (my boat) forum. But also thought to post my situation/question here for wider non-brand specific responses.

This week's haul-out revealed that the cutlass bearing finally needed replacement. But I decided to first to clean the 34 year old strut surface. Seeing some pink bronze, I was 75% sure that the procedure wouldn't succeed. But not much choice other than to go-ahead. At least a failure would flag that I couldn't continue to motor with a brittle strut.

Sure enough, the yard's dedicated hydraulic cutlass bearing tool cracked the strut's bronze after the bearing only moved 1/4". Condition of the strut metal = powder pink on the inside. (The work was done by yard staff -- experienced.)

Per the attached picture.

Granted it's an old strut. But what was the likely cause of the gone pink damage? Certainly in my seven years of ownership, the boat prop/shaft has always been zinc protected. And I use a "fish" zinc directly connected to the shaft with a shaft brush when I am at the dock.

But also, since the strut is isolated from the SS prop shaft by the cutlass bearing rubber, does it really need zinc to protect? My strut does not have a zinc fitting hole. (On a related point, I have spot scraped my bronze thru-hulls during this haul-out. I believe that they are 34 year old OEM. But still bright yellow bronze apparently good for more years of service. They are not bonded.)

Curiously when I dug down deep to get at the strut attachment nuts (the strut is off the boat now), I saw that a bonding wire was attached to one of the bolts. The wire had been shoved out of sight under the interior liner by a P.O. The wire ring connector was in clean condition on the strut end. But on the other wire end, not connected to anything. The ring connector on the loose end was very corroded - no longer a ring actually. So obviously at one point, the strut had been bonded. Maybe this was the time the strut bronze went bad, if the boat had been left un-zinced?

Anyway, what is the best practice to protect struts from galvanic attack? I would like to avoid replacing zinc on the strut with each diver change-out. And I presume that it is important to paint the strut with non-conductive underwater primer before applying copper bottom paint?

Thanks for information and insights.

rardi
 

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Feb 26, 2004
23,054
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Re: Strut Gone Pink - Failed During Cutlass Bearing Replacem

Really sorry to hear that.

You wrote: " I would like to avoid replacing zinc on the strut with each diver change-out."

Why? My strut zinc lasts a year or more while maybe the prop zinc goes for nine months or more.

Kinda sounds like you need the protection.

My strut is not bonded to anything, and that sounds strange to me. Perhaps Maine Sail and others can enlighten us.
 
May 13, 2013
29
Tayana 48DS Phoenix, AZ
The disconnected bonding wire is a big clue here - the original builder probably intended the strut to be protected by other zincs on board, and it would have worked if the bond wire had been connected. Once the strut was floating, electrolysis took it out (though it took a while). Your other thruhulls are still protected by the other zincs, so they're fine.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,054
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Re: Strut Gone Pink - Failed During Cutlass Bearing Replacem

This assumes that the other thru hulls are metal, right? Perhaps there is no bonding system for anything else on the boat, and the PO just did the strut. Only rardi would be able to tell us.
 
Jun 21, 2007
2,117
Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
This assumes that the other thru hulls are metal, right? Perhaps there is no bonding system for anything else on the boat, and the PO just did the strut. Only rardi would be able to tell us.
None of the bronze thru hulls on my boat are bonded. As I included in my opening post, the thru hull bronze is still a good healthy yellow. And I believe they are OEM from 1980.
 
Jan 30, 2012
1,144
Nor'Sea 27 "Kiwanda" Portland/ Anacortes
Re: Strut Gone Pink - Failed During Cutlass Bearing Replacem

The through hull fittings are most likely 85 555 bronze- which is very resistant to galvanic decay. Many folks do not bond the through hulls because that alloy is so resistant and so they believe galvanic protection is not necessary.

If one did bond these items together the bonding wiring must lead to a zinc. Bonding without a zinc in the circuit is pointless. For example, your zinc fish is a very good idea but - assuming it is clipped to the motor block - there is no electrical path from the zinc fish to your strut and so the fish does not protect your strut.

Also the strut itself is probably not made from the same material as the through hulls. I have no idea what the alloy was but your (new) strut will need galvanic protection. The best way is a pancake shape zinc bolted through the strut. Another option is to bond the strut to the motor thus the shaft zinc will then protect the strut as well as the shaft and propeller. The shaft zinc will probably erode more rapidly depending on the particular alloy of the new strut so you might need to add another. You could even bond strut to motor and add a fixed strut zinc.

In any case - keep in mind that the trouble with bonding is that folks fail to make inspections, do not use large enough wire, use wimpy terminals, do not keep the connections clean and bright, and do not change the zincs regularly enough.

Charles
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Better found now than later

Rardi - this is a great thread you started because a failed strut could be catastrophic.

A short story: Several years ago we were hauled out at a Seattle yard for bottom paint and the guy next to us had, if I remember it right, a Columbia 50. Or maybe it was a big Cal. Anyway, he was an architect (has nothing to do with the story) and just recently retired. They had bought this boat a few years before his retirement and were just finishing re-doing everything on the boat before setting off on a trip down the coast to Mexico and then the South Pacific. The last thing on their list was bottom paint.

Shortly after having our boat blocked and setting up to do sanding there was some commotion next door. He was working on the prop and shaft, replacing zincs, when his strut broke off!

The strut flange where it attached to the hull was recessed and faired. The failure occured right at the hull line, or at least very close to it. While it was bad news that the strut failed, I think we could all agree that this was actually good news. It was a heck of a lot better that he found out about the problem while the boat was on the hard instead of somewhere off Cape Mendecino where the strut could have failed and maybe even have water coming in through some bolt hole(s). His was faired so that probably wouldn't have been a problem but a loose prop shaft could cause damage or maybe water could come in through the stern tube.

Anyway, it's a lot better that the problem was found now than later.

A good source for Hunter struts is:
Southeastern Foundries Corporation
2706 Oakland Avenue
Greensboro NC 27417-0323
Tel (336) 299-7211 (this is the number I had but the web page has xxx-7212)
http://southeasternfoundries.com/Contact Us.html
 
Jun 21, 2007
2,117
Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
The through hull fittings are most likely 85 555 bronze- which is very resistant to galvanic decay. Many folks do not bond the through hulls because that alloy is so resistant and so they believe galvanic protection is not necessary.

If one did bond these items together the bonding wiring must lead to a zinc. Bonding without a zinc in the circuit is pointless. For example, your zinc fish is a very good idea but - assuming it is clipped to the motor block - there is no electrical path from the zinc fish to your strut and so the fish does not protect your strut.

Also the strut itself is probably not made from the same material as the through hulls. I have no idea what the alloy was but your (new) strut will need galvanic protection. The best way is a pancake shape zinc bolted through the strut. Another option is to bond the strut to the motor thus the shaft zinc will then protect the strut as well as the shaft and propeller. The shaft zinc will probably erode more rapidly depending on the particular alloy of the new strut so you might need to add another. You could even bond strut to motor and add a fixed strut zinc.

In any case - keep in mind that the trouble with bonding is that folks fail to make inspections, do not use large enough wire, use wimpy terminals, do not keep the connections clean and bright, and do not change the zincs regularly enough.

Charles
Charles: You have supplied great information. I had already been thinking that your "another option" will be what I will do for my new replacement strut. That is run the my new strut's bonding wire (which I will make sure is robust in wire size and terminal type) to the motor which on my boat is also directly bonded to my fish anode which also is bonded to the shaft via a shaft brush. Of course I do maintain shaft zincs.

John Nantz: Thanks for your real-life recount of your haul-out neighbor's experience. My reaction exactly when my strut broke yesterday in the yard. Much better to have happened there than while I was under the Golden Gate Bridge in a 4.5kt ebb current after the wind suddenly died and motivating with the motor is crucial!
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,832
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Bonding

My 2007 H-36 does have a bonding wire to the bolts holding the strut
and just changed the strut bearing no problem.
I have a zinc on the shaft and a zinc on my folding prop.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
You want to bond your strut to your motor and make it part of the galvanic circuit back to a zinc?? Just anode the parts in the water - simple.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,054
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
You want to bond your strut to your motor and make it part of the galvanic circuit back to a zinc?? Just anode the parts in the water - simple.
Same question, guys. Why? Per my earlier reply, we have a strut zinc and a shaft zinc. Goin' on 28 years now...same waters as rardi.
 
Jan 30, 2012
1,144
Nor'Sea 27 "Kiwanda" Portland/ Anacortes
Same question, guys. Why? Per my earlier reply, we have a strut zinc and a shaft zinc. Goin' on 28 years now...same waters as rardi.
There are just two options - (1) bolt a zinc directly to the item to be protected or (2) wire the item to be protected to a remote zinc.

Rardi has no bolt-on zinc protecting his strut (neither the new one nor the old one) and in his case he would rather skip the direct bolt-on method.

So the wire the strut to the motor/shaft method is the only way to provide protection to the new strut.

There is no other choice.

Charles
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,054
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Re: Strut Gone Pink - Failed During Cutlass Bearing Replacem

Agreed. Question was, I guess, why he wouldn't want the bolted to option, since he has a diver. You're right, Charles, and thanks for your great contribution to this thread. It's a classic.