After market Alternator

Oct 29, 2005
2,362
Hunter Marine 326 303 Singapore
I've found an after market 80A alternator (Gladiator) seems very attractive replacement for my LR155-20B 55A Hitachi. The 80A alternator is label as LR180-03A. It has a "pig tail" as well as "T" spades (Lamp & Field Coil?) as shown on eBay site.
Will I be able to use this LR180-03A with my 2GM20F engine without wiring modifications?
EBay: New Alternator LR180-03A 119573-77200 Yanmar Marine 12272
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
I've found an after market 80A alternator (Gladiator) seems very attractive replacement for my LR155-20B 55A Hitachi. The 80A alternator is label as LR180-03A. It has a "pig tail" as well as "T" spades (Lamp & Field Coil?) as shown on eBay site.
Will I be able to use this LR180-03A with my 2GM20F engine without wiring modifications?
EBay: New Alternator LR180-03A 119573-77200 Yanmar Marine 12272
the alts on the 2gm and 3gm are Hatchie and any of them should work ...example the old Nissan 280 z cars have Hatchie and they work fine....i am replacing mine with an 80 amp alt external regulated and adding a balmar reg so i can set the high out put current at the max of 60 amps and be able to run it as long as it need be to top off the batts....any Hatchie framed alt should work
 
Oct 29, 2005
2,362
Hunter Marine 326 303 Singapore
the alts on the 2gm and 3gm are Hatchie and any of them should work ...example the old Nissan 280 z cars have Hatchie and they work fine....i am replacing mine with an 80 amp alt external regulated and adding a balmar reg so i can set the high out put current at the max of 60 amps and be able to run it as long as it need be to top off the batts....any Hatchie framed alt should work
Woodster, which model of Balmar are you getting? And the external regulator, would it be ARS-5?
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
You might want to ask about the actual output and how long it can hold that before it over heats. I'm guessing that it is an automotive alternator and they are NOT designed to run high amps for long periods so their cooling fans and coil set up are not 'geared" for that kind of use.
 
Oct 1, 2008
148
Bavaria 36 Cruiser Nanaimo, BC
Bill and/or others,
Can the "auto style" alternators run for long (relatively) periods if the belt load manager option (of an external regulator) is used to reduce the output by say 20%? If not, how large a "reduction" would be recommended?
Thanks,
Tom
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Bill and/or others,
Can the "auto style" alternators run for long (relatively) periods if the belt load manager option (of an external regulator) is used to reduce the output by say 20%? If not, how large a "reduction" would be recommended?
Thanks,
Tom
Depends on the alt and how big the bank is. Most converted Yanmar alts prefer a 35-40% plus reduction in max field current.. You really need to hot load tests the alt and set it up on your boat to know for sure how it behaves. You really don't want a factory alt running over about 210 degrees or 220F max.....

As an example I run a bad a$$ 160A Mark Grasser DC Solutions custom built alt on our boat. She is current limited to 120A (when hot) to remain below 220F. This is still a decent reduction even on a high output custom built alternator, but she can run at 120A all day long and laugh at it....

Easiest bet is to start at Belt Manager 4 then attach a temp sensor to the alt case and monitor it when your bank has been deeply depleted..

I don't have time to deplete banks to hot test the alt, so I use an inverter and dummy load, such as a ceramic disc heater, to keep the alt full fielded as I run the boat under load and monitor alt temps.
 
Oct 1, 2008
148
Bavaria 36 Cruiser Nanaimo, BC
Thanks Maine!
I have a 6 year old Trojan golf cart (480 ahr when new) bank. The alt is a 60 amp stock alt on a Volvo engine (still think it might be an Hitachi alt). I now have a Balmar AC 614 regulator.
I will monitor the alt temperature with an infared temp gun whenever the bank is down below 80%?
Thanks again,
Tom :)
 
Aug 16, 2009
1,000
Hunter 1986 H31 California Yacht Marina, Chula Vista, CA
So are we saying that my stock Hitachi 35 amp internally regulated alternator, which looks pretty automotive, and is being called upon to charge 3 12v Lifeline AGMs, is a better bet to last than the 80 amp internally regulated aftermarket because of potential overheating issues?
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Thanks Maine!
I have a 6 year old Trojan golf cart (480 ahr when new) bank. The alt is a 60 amp stock alt on a Volvo engine (still think it might be an Hitachi alt). I now have a Balmar AC 614 regulator.
I will monitor the alt temperature with an infared temp gun whenever the bank is down below 80%?
Thanks again,
Tom :)
With a Volvo you most likely have a Valeo/Paris Rhone alt...
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
So are we saying that my stock Hitachi 35 amp internally regulated alternator, which looks pretty automotive, and is being called upon to charge 3 12v Lifeline AGMs, is a better bet to last than the 80 amp internally regulated aftermarket because of potential overheating issues?
Not saying that at all. Saying quite the opposite... Stock alts set up to run with external regulation need to utilize Belt Manager (which is current limiting) unless the bank is really tiny. This is in order to not burn up the alt asking it for full output for long periods..... Many stock alts, including Hitachi's, internally self protect by reducing the voltage as the alt heats up. With an external regulation you still need to protect it from going over 220F.... Using the alt temp sensor to do this can dig into performance gains so the best bet is to limit the max field potential via the regulator using Belt Manager.

High output, purpose built, small case alts cool better, deliver better current at low RPM and last longer in deep cycling applications all will delivering more power than a stock alt asked to do the same. I have a Hitachi apart on my bench right now and they are very lightly built compared to a Balmar, Grasser, Electromaax or my own Compass Marine alts.........

These are some of the features I build into my own alternators which are well above and beyond factory alternators:

*Hand wound stators using the highest quality 14GA magnet wire means better cooling.

*Precision machined rotor and slip rings for greater contact at all RPM.

*Tighter tolerances for the stator/rotor gap for better performance. A feature not found in standard alternators.

*Precision milled stator utilizing a special dacron/mylar insulator. The industry norm is paper..

*Rotor is precision balanced to .025 ounce inches. Industry norm is .050 - .090. This means SMOOTH operation and less harmonics...

*Motorola 50A press fit diodes. Industry standards are no-name Chinese button diodes and 30A rated. These Motorola diodes carry a performance rating to 300F.

*Internal wire leads are ultra high temperature acrylic coated fiberglass insulation sleeves not cheap rubber sleeving.

*Brushes are high copper content composite not run of the mill carbon brushes. This yields superior conductivity and considerably longer life.

*Billet machined pulleys for better belt grip. This means less thermal expansion of the pulley when hot, which leads to less belt slippage.

*Alternators are isolated ground and the neg terminal is 100% isolated from the case. This is a significant upgrade over cheap case ground alternators. Both the positive and negative studs are 5/16" not wimpy 1/4" or #10 studs. These studs are bolted, not press fit or friction fitted, directly to the rectifier bridge for the best possible connection. Industry standard is a compression/friction fit.

*Rectifier and alt case are precision machined for proper mating and the best possible heat transfer. High temp heat transfer paste is used for the best heat dissipation.


High output alts can deliver more power for longer durations at lower temps.... Using a factory 80A alt and a high output 80A alt the factory using the same regulator will need more current limiting and will deliver lower performance. Can they work? Yes absolutely, but don't expect anywhere near 80A of performance, more like 40-45....
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
Woodster, which model of Balmar are you getting? And the external regulator, would it be ARS-5?
i have a 80 amp hatchie external regulated and am getting the balmar 614 regulator not sure about the part number but the one that Mainesail recommended
ps after reading Mains last post when the upgrade kitty gets stronger i will contact him and see about one of his alts
 
Oct 29, 2005
2,362
Hunter Marine 326 303 Singapore
I don't get it. I fitted the Gladiator after market LR180 alternator. Start the engine and the voltage didn't come up pass 12.6V. Charge lamp light was off after engine start.
I use a handheld compass to test the field coil, upon key switch on, the compass needle move 30deg. I guess field coil is good. After some fiddling with wirings and connectors, the Charge Lamp stays on even with engine running. Oops! Problem seems to get worst. :eek: :doh:
One thing I forgot to do is bring the rpm up. The test was done at idle speed. Guess I'll have to try rpm'ing the engine to see if the voltage will come up.
 
Oct 29, 2005
2,362
Hunter Marine 326 303 Singapore
Surprise surprise! My new alternator is now working! Started the engine and warm it up. Charge light stays on. Took boat out, had the usual fridge, Autopilot, stereo running and sail for about an hour, then ran engine. Surprisingly, the alternator charge voltage came up to 13.3V with 24A charge current and it later stabilise to 10A. :dance: Could it be that earlier it didn't charge because my batteries were fully charged?
Well I paid S$220 (incl shipping) for this after market 80A alternator. The repair cost for my stock Hitachi is quoted at S$330+ :naughty: (to replace Regulator & bearing). Pretty obvious I won't be repairing the Hitachi alternator. :D