house battery relocation Beneteau 40

Nov 19, 2013
8
Beneteau 40 Seabrook TX
Have 2009 Beneteau 40 setting up for extended cruising.

Goal:
Add additional 160 to 220 amp hour capacity to house bank
Move weight forward on boat

My current house bank has a 4d in the aft berth standard battery compartment plus a second under aft berth behind engine. Need third battery. Not enough bilge height to install batteries there. Boat has 5.5 kw nexgen generator in port locker and has about 1 degree list to port. I have installed Atlantic Tower arch with two 225 watt Kyocera solar panels and now connecting to two blue sky charge controllers. Originally was going to relocate house bank by moving the battery behind the engine and installing new 4d battery under starboard settee but not enough room. This would have moved 125 lbs from stern to about center length of boat. It would have added 250 lbs to starboard to counteract gen set weight. boat sets 4 inches high forward and an inch or two lower than desirable at stern. Will add 200 foot more of anchor chain (from 60 foot 3/8" to 275 ft of 5/16" hitest) will help settle bow .
There is currently a grp 27 under forward berth for bow thruster. The charging cables for this battery run from battery charging relays in aft bat compartment and are 2/0 cables. The windlass uses a separate pair of 2/0 cable from house battery bank in same compartment.

Any inverter addition will be fairly small for TV.

There is room under the forward berth to add 3-4ds or 6- 6v batteries after removing the Grp 27. The plan might be to use the 2 pair of existing 2/0 cables (2 red & 2 blk) to relocate the house bank under the forward berth. The only high current demand to the back of the boat would be if using the house bank to start the 54 hp main. The thruster existing cables would connect to the relocated house bank. New cables would have to be made for the windlass to the house bank. Just remembered, I have a cabin top electric windlass but its current would be handled by the two pairs of 2/0 cables.

Spending $2,400+ for sealed batteries is not really in the budget. There is already a wet battery in the thruster compartment but having the 6-6v will create a bit more hydrogen gas. May need a vent to circulate a bit more air.

When I was looking at putting batteries under the starboard settee, it would have required 12-15 foot "big" cables for separating the one 4-d in the battery compartment battery from the 2 relocated batteries under the settee. To move two batteries under the forward berth leaving the one in the battery compartment and having 25 to 30 foot of cable between the batteries may be too much separation.

Estimating lights, refrigeration, instruments, etc require about 90 to 120 amp-hours a day. The 2-4ds currently have around 320 ah and after about 18 hours on the hook, I charge them off the genset. Solar panels are just being installed and do not have history. Looking for suggestions and any issues I may have missed.

Mike
 

Bob846

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Jun 7, 2004
39
Beneteau 423 Long Beach/Los Angeles
Mike,

Between the panels and genset, you may be set. My 423 has 2 4D batteries (house) and 1 group 27 for starting. I have 1 140w, 2 50w, and 2 65w panels all going through a Blue Sky Energy controller. At peak, this is putting out about 20 amps. In So. Cal, in the summer, I start each evening with fully charged batteries (running lights, fridge, fans, stereo, water pumps, electric heads, etc.). My suggestions:
- try getting by with what you have and add the third battery later if really required.
- go to 6v rather than 12v 4Ds. More complicated, but better capacity.
- Not sure why you feel it necessary to have two solar regulators. If you parallel the panels, one controller should be all that is necessary. In fact, two regulators will fight against each other and not utilize the panels' full potential.

Best of luck...Bob E.
 
Apr 13, 2011
32
Beneteau 40 Chicago
Mike:

I have a 200 amp hour in the port locker on my 2011 Beneteau 40 and would like to install a generator along with it.

Is there enough room?

Also, how do you like the 5.5 kw nexgen generator..any noise or excess heat concerns?

Thanks,
Chris
 
Nov 19, 2013
8
Beneteau 40 Seabrook TX
Should have one or both or the chargers working this weekend. Blue Sky's network together, one master others slaves, to work as a single unit. Each charger will get the most out of the single solar panel connected to it. If one is shaded, the other will produce at max power.

My nextgen fills up the front 1/3 of the port locker. to get both a battery and the generator in the same compartment would be very tight. I am over 6 foot tall. I have to lift my legs over the gen compartment to be able to lay down on the floor and then slide into the compartment under the propane locker.
I used soundproofcow.com 1/4" thick sound barrier below the locker floor above the diesel tank and on the walls. Two 4x8 panels were cut up to fit so about 120 lbs. That plus the 350 lbs generator is what is giving me the list to port. Putting the barrier under the floor cut out maybe half of the normal sound path. The generator is not any louder than the aft cabin AC fan in the aft berth. I would recommend the nextgen if someone is looking for a generator. I know of 6 or so that have been install with no problems.
 
Nov 19, 2013
8
Beneteau 40 Seabrook TX
Solar chargers are installed and running. Winter sunshine at 29 degN was giving me a little over 20 amps into house bank with lights, refrig, instruments drawing 15 amps from 450 watts of panels. Wires run for blue sky iPro monitoring unit. Need 18" 2/0 battery cable to install shunt and all should be up and running.
 
Oct 26, 2010
2,143
Hunter 40.5 Beaufort, SC
Have a Nexgen 5.5 available

Mike:

I have a 200 amp hour in the port locker on my 2011 Beneteau 40 and would like to install a generator along with it.

Is there enough room?

Also, how do you like the 5.5 kw nexgen generator..any noise or excess heat concerns?

Thanks,
Chris
I have a Nexgen 5.5 that I bought for my Hunter 40.5 but it looks like it may be a little big for my locker. I'll be doing a trial fit up in a few weeks. I picked it up in Jacksonville (where they make the NexGen generators) from an installer that had changed it out for a larger generator on a bigger yacht that wanted even more power. I really like the Nexgen's but I'm thinking I can do with a Nexgen 3.5 so if you are interested in the 5.5 let me know and we can discuss. This 5.5 was fully checked out by an installer that puts them in for Nexgen. I'll have to check the prices on these but I'd guess that its about a $6000+ unit new plus includes the control panel, etc. I'm not sure of the shipping (I am in Beaufort, SC) but they box and ship items of his size so I'm sure it can be handled freight of some sort.

Dan