Boat Ownership
- Thread starter Warren Milberg
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Yup.
Notwithstanding the fact that some of the best women I know are way better lookin too. (I'll pay for that, I just know it)
Yeah, you guys are about to get yer legs striped here..
This is a truly great idea, that I SO wish more would do before buying that big keel boat 'blindly', and then I feel like the poor old surgeon coming in to inform the family of how bad it is. My admonition of 'Buy a damn book' doesn't seem to be working out.
Oh yeah, keep it very simple, and please don't use the oft worn out nautical terms that people tend to use on the docks to impress others of their 'sailing knowledge'. I haven't once in my entire life yet heard a lady ever say she is going to use the 'head'.
Nor a knowledgeable sailor either for that matter..
This is a truly great idea, that I SO wish more would do before buying that big keel boat 'blindly', and then I feel like the poor old surgeon coming in to inform the family of how bad it is. My admonition of 'Buy a damn book' doesn't seem to be working out.
Oh yeah, keep it very simple, and please don't use the oft worn out nautical terms that people tend to use on the docks to impress others of their 'sailing knowledge'. I haven't once in my entire life yet heard a lady ever say she is going to use the 'head'.
Nor a knowledgeable sailor either for that matter..
My remark was not meant to be sexist. Of course there are great women sailors. I thought this was a proposed class for newbies. I have many friends whose wives/gf's will not step on to a sailboat out of fear of it tipping over/storms/whatever. With some understanding of heeling you might keep a few more spouses enjoying the boat with their husbands. I'm sure we all know someone who sails alone because their wife won't get on the boat.
Too many first time sailor/newbie talks I have been to quickly become technical jargon filled lectures that never address the apprehension the reluctant partner might feel. Not every husband and wife partnership is equally committed to one another's dream.
For example: I know a guy who took his new wife out on his boat for the first time. The conditions were marginal, the boat was over canvassed for the conditions. She came back terrified and would never even come back to the marina. A bad example because the guy was a jerk (since divorced) but not that unusual.
When I take new people sailing, beside a basic safety talk, I always explain the heeling is normal etc. It seems to really help and the comment I get most is "gee I never knew that".
Sorry Jack, but that's a silly PC response that ignores a very real concern.
Men and women tend to learn differently. I'm comfortable figuring things out as I go. My wife isn't. When I got interested in sailing I talked with her about the idea and suggested a weekend learn to sail course in Annapolis (already a B&B spot for us).
The school made a point of putting us in different boats so we'd both learn. Their point was one partner (not always, but usually the husband) tends to dominate if you're together. On separate boats you both learn. My wife liked sailing and it's something we enjoy together. I'm not sure that would have been the outcome if we'd been in a small boat while I made mistakes and tried to figure it out.
My experience is anecdotal, but it's common enough that an organization like Womanship has been around for 30 years.
A program like Warren is suggesting has to address the concerns of spouses and create an environment where no questions are silly questions.
Its not silly. Sorry, but it's sexist and that is never silly.Sorry Jack, but that's a silly PC response that ignores a very real concern.
Men and women tend to learn differently. I'm comfortable figuring things out as I go. My wife isn't. When I got interested in sailing I talked with her about the idea and suggested a weekend learn to sail course in Annapolis (already a B&B spot for us).
The school made a point of putting us in different boats so we'd both learn. Their point was one partner (not always, but usually the husband) tends to dominate if you're together. On separate boats you both learn. My wife liked sailing and it's something we enjoy together. I'm not sure that would have been the outcome if we'd been in a small boat while I made mistakes and tried to figure it out.
My experience is anecdotal, but it's common enough that an organization like Womanship has been around for 30 years.
A program like Warren is suggesting has to address the concerns of spouses and create an environment where no questions are silly questions.
The points Sailm8 are valid issue for ANY new sailor of ANY sex. Do only woman need to be taught how to cook safely on a boat? Do only woman have issues with feeling secure in an unfamiliar environment? No. Then why on earth a topic that address only them? It's sexist and degrading.
Like you point out, programs like Womanship are designed to teach woman how to sail away from the macho attitudes that abound in sailing. My point is that focusing these topics only on woman is the exactly opposite of what they try and accomplish.
Really ? Head is arcane nautical jargon I only use to impress ? Where do you piss on your boat, the powder room ??
Mmm.Mm. Aw man. A 'head' comes from around the square rigger days when the crew crapped off of the sprit of the boat, as Jabsco didn't make good enough macerator pumps back then, ie: the head of the boat. I personally don't like doing it at all off the pulpit, my legs go asleep on the rail. The stern pushpit is much better. Your knees hook comfortably across the first rail, and the top rail is left for a handle. This works great except new marinas. After a couple of times of this they tend to leave you alone anyhow..
I wonder why Jabsco, Johnson Pump, Groco, Raritan, Thetford, whatever calls them toilets. However, I pee in the kitchen sink. Flat footed and proud. Saves water, and the kids get a kick out of it too. And save your money buying those cheesy macerator pumps. I have better luck with a common food disposal like for home use. Hooks simply to 110 volts out of the inverter, and a chopping we go baby. Ammunition, M.R.E.'s, whole entire rolls of Bounty Paper Towels is no match. (That reminds me, now I think I remember what happened to my boat hook). So anyways, Fat Tonys Pizza with barbequed chicken and jalapeno peppers is nothing for this bad boy.
And really, just break down and do the sensible thing and get a stainless steel commode like we used to use in prison. Hell, I've seen Big Tyrone smash one with a fire extinguisher for over three hours before he was subdued..
I wonder why Jabsco, Johnson Pump, Groco, Raritan, Thetford, whatever calls them toilets. However, I pee in the kitchen sink. Flat footed and proud. Saves water, and the kids get a kick out of it too. And save your money buying those cheesy macerator pumps. I have better luck with a common food disposal like for home use. Hooks simply to 110 volts out of the inverter, and a chopping we go baby. Ammunition, M.R.E.'s, whole entire rolls of Bounty Paper Towels is no match. (That reminds me, now I think I remember what happened to my boat hook). So anyways, Fat Tonys Pizza with barbequed chicken and jalapeno peppers is nothing for this bad boy.
And really, just break down and do the sensible thing and get a stainless steel commode like we used to use in prison. Hell, I've seen Big Tyrone smash one with a fire extinguisher for over three hours before he was subdued..
For what it's worth, and maybe very little to the original question here, but I work on boats every day of my life. Every day. And know an awful lot about them. But when my air-conditioner needed 'help from above', it was Luz that knew what to do. It doesn't insult my 'manliness' one iota. I'm glad someone knew something about it. Ego points gone? None.
(just a thought)..
(just a thought)..