Single handed Asymmetric gybing...
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I'm sure that Don (and others) will have good advice for you. But also, just last night I stumbled on a VERY informative series by Yachting Monthly with Pip Hare (British, you know). Among them was a video on short-handed spinnaker jibing (both symetrical and asymetrical). Just search for it on YouTube. I watched the whole series - yeah, spent a couple of hours - and thought the information was credible and well presented. Oh yeah, one reason I took so long is that on the other window I was listening to "Stripes" a song by Brandy Clark. Look it up also on YouTube!! :dance:
Maybe Don's sleeping off another bar-b-que orgy. 
Just like the answer to "how do I get to Carnegie Hall?", practice.
Leave the mainsail down. It'll only add complexity.
Go out in predictable conditions that are within your comfort range, and let out the working sheet until the spin's flying as far beyond the forestay as possible, while slowly turning the boat through the gybe.
Haul in on the new working sheet, minding that the clew makes it past the forestay, and that the new lazy sheet doesn't snag on anything (my pet peeve).
Repeat.
Just like the answer to "how do I get to Carnegie Hall?", practice.
Leave the mainsail down. It'll only add complexity.
Go out in predictable conditions that are within your comfort range, and let out the working sheet until the spin's flying as far beyond the forestay as possible, while slowly turning the boat through the gybe.
Haul in on the new working sheet, minding that the clew makes it past the forestay, and that the new lazy sheet doesn't snag on anything (my pet peeve).
Repeat.
Well, I am unaware of your boat's set-up, and your experience level. How are you controlling the tack of the spin?
If you're flying the spin in conditions that'll fill a genoa, it sounds like you're racing, so, okay then, hoist 'er up!
But I'm standing by my original suggestion, practice.
I think justsomeguy's idea was that, to learn how to gybe the asym, practice without the main, so that complexity is significantly reduced, so that you can see and control the chute, and not have to worry about the chute while trying to gybe the main, etc. Once you've got a good bit of practice, and you've got a feel for how the chute behaves, and the quirks of your setup (lazy sheet getting caught, etc.) then you'd have a good base, and could start playing with the main up for better speed.
When I started flying my asym, I do it solo, and I would do it on really light air days. This was partly because the halyard was mounted at the mast head, and that's not right for a fractional rig with uppers only going up 7/8ths or so. That, and the wind was so light, I kinda had to drop the main to get the spin to fill. Now that I've played with it, lowered the halyard to 6" above the hounds, and added a cam cleat down lower on the mast (as opposed to a horn cleat above the gooseneck) I'm ready to start flying that puppy in more fun conditions! If only it weren't off season… Then again, I couldn't move that halyard block until I hauled out and dropped the mast…
Brian
When I started flying my asym, I do it solo, and I would do it on really light air days. This was partly because the halyard was mounted at the mast head, and that's not right for a fractional rig with uppers only going up 7/8ths or so. That, and the wind was so light, I kinda had to drop the main to get the spin to fill. Now that I've played with it, lowered the halyard to 6" above the hounds, and added a cam cleat down lower on the mast (as opposed to a horn cleat above the gooseneck) I'm ready to start flying that puppy in more fun conditions! If only it weren't off season… Then again, I couldn't move that halyard block until I hauled out and dropped the mast…
Brian
You guys have part of the reference to me right. Let's start with the wrong part first -- I've never produced a video on anything. I've only flow a spin about 4 times and one of those times it ripped from top to bottom!! It was on someone elses boat during a race from Long Beach to Dana Point. Actually, I was glad it ripped because the skipper almost tipped the boat over twice setting it.
You're right about the BBQ part. Yesterday, I cooked up a batch of BRATS. Every time I fire up my profession grade smoker it draws a crowd of neighbors. I cook brats "Wisconsin style" using Leinenkugel beer and other stuff for my soak sauce. Only Wisconsin sailors know what I'm talking about!!
Most folks soak the brat FIRST, which is backwards as guys/gals from Wisconsin already know. I could explain why it's backwards but I don't want to bore folks -- maybe later as winter drags on and the snow flies and sailors are bored to death.
You're right about the BBQ part. Yesterday, I cooked up a batch of BRATS. Every time I fire up my profession grade smoker it draws a crowd of neighbors. I cook brats "Wisconsin style" using Leinenkugel beer and other stuff for my soak sauce. Only Wisconsin sailors know what I'm talking about!!
Most folks soak the brat FIRST, which is backwards as guys/gals from Wisconsin already know. I could explain why it's backwards but I don't want to bore folks -- maybe later as winter drags on and the snow flies and sailors are bored to death.
Actually, here in Wisconsin, a lot of us tend to mostly soak the cook in Leinie's Honey Weiss...
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Does that help with the cholesterol? Ahh, never mind. I don't worry about cholesterol!
Hey, weinie, got a link to that video you were watching?
Don, youtube has a video by the GiullettaSailingTeam,"Jibing the asymmetrical spinnaker in a race". They have 22 videos maybe that is what the op saw. I can't insert the link from this computer.
worldwalker88: Try the following for your soak sauce: saute a onion, green pepper, garlic clove and salt and pepper. Put that stuff in a cast iron pot together with butter, tabasco, red pepper flakes, 2 cans of Leinie, worcestershire, black pepper, Dijohn mustard and whiskey. Be creative with the amount of ingredients and then bring the mix to a simmer. After grilling the brats, poke some holes to allow the simmer sauce to come in contact with the meat. You have to poke holes because the brat skin is made of hog gut and is not very porous -- that why it's a waste of time to simmer first because all your doing is "steaming" the meat and the essential juices, spices and flavorful oils in the meat dry up.
Try my sauce -- you'll amaze your friends!!
Try my sauce -- you'll amaze your friends!!
Don, thanks for the brat recipie!
As I'm sitting I. A northern michigan airport killing time until my flight, I thought I'd at least gain some asym info...and I got Better than that!
Recap for the op:
A good brat soak is abeautiful thing...practice should always happen with as few variables as possible; and the reason an after soak ( much like buttering a steak and letting it rest) is that as the meat cools, it draws in the moisture around it in..... .
As I'm sitting I. A northern michigan airport killing time until my flight, I thought I'd at least gain some asym info...and I got Better than that!
Recap for the op:
A good brat soak is abeautiful thing...practice should always happen with as few variables as possible; and the reason an after soak ( much like buttering a steak and letting it rest) is that as the meat cools, it draws in the moisture around it in.....
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Here's the site I was referring to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZIR24FW1BA
It talks a lot about jibing asymetricals using outside and inside techniques. Outside (lazy sheet goes around in front of the headstay) is for heavy air, Inside for lighter (windspeed < 10 knots) air. It goes over the technique step by step. The asy stuff starts at 3:28. Other videos go over how to set, and how to trim spinnakers. Other videos go over a lot of topics, with the theme of "going fast and going safely". The presenters are very experienced and explain things very well. check them out - you won't be disappointed. YouTube has some very high quality sailing instruction videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZIR24FW1BA
It talks a lot about jibing asymetricals using outside and inside techniques. Outside (lazy sheet goes around in front of the headstay) is for heavy air, Inside for lighter (windspeed < 10 knots) air. It goes over the technique step by step. The asy stuff starts at 3:28. Other videos go over how to set, and how to trim spinnakers. Other videos go over a lot of topics, with the theme of "going fast and going safely". The presenters are very experienced and explain things very well. check them out - you won't be disappointed. YouTube has some very high quality sailing instruction videos.
Weinie: No problem and look how the topic took off and I even managed to get in a side bar on "Q'ing"!!
Could someone post a link to these videos? I searched Youtube and could not find them:cry:
He has a youtube channel under the name ppconsultant.
If you look through his videos, he has several discussing basic sail controls and how they affect sail trim.
I happened to come across them in my "formative" sailing years while also reading don's sail trim book. I must have made the mental connection in error.
If you look through his videos, he has several discussing basic sail controls and how they affect sail trim.
I happened to come across them in my "formative" sailing years while also reading don's sail trim book. I must have made the mental connection in error.
We sail a 23 foot Seaward equipped with an Asymmetrical Spinnaker. My goal last year was to learn how to rig and use this great sail. I had very little experience, flying a conventional Spinnaker on a 19 foot Flying Scott single handed and was looking forward to the Asymmetrical Spin. After watching all the YouTubes on the topic that I could fine, I finally understood the process and was ready to single hand. My first attempt was extremely successful and relatively easy! Although the gybe took a little more nerve to try, it too came off without incidence! I spent the entire season enjoying the experience and looked forward to winds that were favorable to the Aspin usage. I would highly recommend the "Sock" to aid in deployment and retrieval.
That's a nice vid.
One thing they use, and I'm not sure why we don't see it more in the USA, is an asym with a 'dick' on the tackpatch. It's a small, soft batten that is sewn on the luff side of the sail just above the tack, and it holds up the lazy sheet so it does not fall into the water. As the boat gibes, it just lifts off. A great idea and easy to add to your own sails if you are handy. You can see it in action at 3:51 of the video.
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