To My Surprise, No Zincs!!

jviss · Sep 10, 2013

fstbttms said:
Oh, absolutely they would haul a boat for zincs. Doing it for free is a different story though.

Not my boatyard. There's a diver here who does this, regularly. Saves boat owners a ton.

fstbttms · Sep 10, 2013

jviss said:
Not my boatyard. There's a diver here who does this, regularly. Saves boat owners a ton.

Yes, I understand. I'm one of those divers. But the point is that any boatyard would be happy to charge you $300-$400 to haul your boat to change the zincs, given the opportunity.

jviss · Sep 10, 2013

fstbttms said:
...any boatyard would be happy to charge you $300-$400 to haul your boat to change the zincs, given the opportunity.

This has degenerated into an argument, and I won't go any further, except to say that you are wrong, there are boatyards, like mine, that are not purely and selfishly profiteering. Too bad for you, and your experiences, but mine are different, and I wouldn't proclaim that all are as good as mine, no more than you should proclaim that they are all unscrupulous.

fstbttms · Sep 10, 2013

So your point is that if you went to your boatyard and said, "Please haul my boat and change the zincs", they'd turn you away? You must live in a different world than I do.

Grouperhound · Sep 10, 2013

I think you need to stay away from the "Shady Side". Sorry, couldn't resist. ;-).

jviss · Sep 10, 2013

fstbttms said:
So your point is that if you went to your boatyard and said, "Please haul my boat and change the zincs", they'd turn you away? You must live in a different world than I do.

Yes, they would, and yes, I must live in a different world than you. I prefer my world, too. It must suck to be so cynical and among unscrupulous profiteers.

fstbttms · Sep 10, 2013

jviss said:
Yes, they would, and yes, I must live in a different world than you. I prefer my world, too. It must suck to be so cynical and among unscrupulous profiteers.

Why would the boatyard turn down your request that they provide you with service? Because (even though you want them to haul the boat) there is a cheaper alternative? That's ridiculous.

Do they also refer you to the guy on craigslist who advertises his brightwork refinishing services at half the yard rates?

jviss · Sep 10, 2013

fstbttms said:
Why would the boatyard turn down your request that they provide you with service? Because (even though you want them to haul the boat) there is a cheaper alternative? That's ridiculous.

Do they also refer you to the guy on craigslist who advertises his brightwork refinishing services at half the yard rates?

You are setting up a ridiculous straw man argument, and being quite rude in the process. I'm only saying that not all boatyards are concerned with maximizing profit, regardless of the customer's best interest; that's all. Apparently you disagree. Fine. Your experiences are apparently poorer than mine. That's unfortunate for you. But it doesn't mean that all boatyards provide as poor an experience as the ones you have experienced.

You insist that you know exactly how all boatyards will respond to a particular situation, and I can assure you that in the case of my boatyard, and in my experience, you are wrong.

fstbttms · Sep 10, 2013

jviss said:
You are setting up a ridiculous straw man argument, and being quite rude in the process. I'm only saying that not all boatyards are concerned with maximizing profit, regardless of the customer's best interest; that's all. Apparently you disagree. Fine. Your experiences are apparently poorer than mine. That's unfortunate for you. But it doesn't mean that all boatyards provide as poor an experience as the ones you have experienced.

You insist that you know exactly how all boatyards will respond to a particular situation, and I can assure you that in the case of my boatyard, and in my experience, you are wrong.

You're right. Only an unscrupulous boatyard would do what the customer asked them to.

Holy cow. Friggin' ponderous.

jviss · Sep 10, 2013

fstbttms said:
You're right. Only an unscrupulous boatyard would do what the customer asked them to.

Holy cow. Friggin' ponderous.

"A straw man...is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position. This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged, emotional issues." (from wikipedia)

The original question was "where's my zincs?' not "haul my boat!"

A boatyard with scruples will help you sort out your issue, not blindly do what you demand, or seem to think you want, without at least understanding the underlying motivation, or issue.

fstbttms · Sep 10, 2013

And if you wanted your yard to haul your boat to install a feathering prop, what would they say?

fstbttms · Sep 10, 2013

Well, since you've probably gone to bed or are ignoring me, I'll tell you what they'd say. I'm sure you'll agree with me when I tell you they'd say, "Please bring your boat to the Travelift. We'd be happy to haul it so we can install a feathering prop for you!"

See, this is where I poke a hole in your self-righteous position. There is zero difference between hauling a boat to replace zincs and hauling a boat to install a feathering prop. Zero difference. Both jobs can be, and frequently are, done by a diver with the boat in the water. And both jobs are done by a diver for less time, expense and inconvenience to the boat owner than taking the boat to a yard to be hauled to perform these jobs. But according to you, any yard that would haul a boat to replace zincs is unscrupulous. So please tell me how a yard accepting a job to haul your boat to install a feathering prop (when they know perfectly well it can be done underwater) is any more scrupulous than a yard hauling a boat to replace zincs.