O'Day 222 with a different mast & tabernacle

[Win and Jack]

I have also posted this question on a previous thread.

My wife and I just became O'Day owners two weeks ago. We bought a 1984 222 in very good condition. Didn't take a lot of clean up and the hull polished up nicely. Only surprise was when we went to step the mast. I think we have a "rogue" configurations. The tabernacle has only one hole into which a bolt and sleeve go through the tabernacle and the mast, then tightened down. Secondly, unlike all the others I've seen, the leading edge at the foot of the mast has a radius which allows it to "clear" as you raise the mast. The mast is raised by laying it over the bow pulpit, attaching the topping lift to the boom, and the boom to the mast using it like a gin pole and using the main sheet to winch it up. BUT, because it's raised from the bow end, you cannot attach the shrouds and that felt very unstable. Short of it is that we had to recruit 4 other sailors that happened by to steady the mast as we winched it up, then once up we attached the shrouds as quickly as possible.

So, the question is, does anyone else have this mast setup? I'm thinking that one of the previous owners changed out the mast, or that O'Day made a change after mine was made.

Any thoughts? I am also going to call Rudy at D&R to see what he knows.

Thanks all.

 

[Barnacle Bill]

The Tanzer 22 had a similar situation in that the anchor position of the shrouds didn't allow the mast to rotate forward (or back) to step the mast safely. But, they solved the problem by having the boat owner insert caribiner type hooks between the turnbuckle and the chain plate. That is all it took. When the mast was stepped, the shrouds were sloppy, but you could connect the inner shrouds which would support the mast while you disconnected the outer shrouds to remove the hooks and then reattach the uppers in the designed manner. Hope this gives you an idea.

 

[Joe11688]

I have also posted this question on a previous thread.

My wife and I just became O'Day owners two weeks ago. We bought a 1984 222 in very good condition. Didn't take a lot of clean up and the hull polished up nicely. Only surprise was when we went to step the mast. I think we have a "rogue" configurations. The tabernacle has only one hole into which a bolt and sleeve go through the tabernacle and the mast, then tightened down. Secondly, unlike all the others I've seen, the leading edge at the foot of the mast has a radius which allows it to "clear" as you raise the mast. The mast is raised by laying it over the bow pulpit, attaching the topping lift to the boom, and the boom to the mast using it like a gin pole and using the main sheet to winch it up. BUT, because it's raised from the bow end, you cannot attach the shrouds and that felt very unstable. Short of it is that we had to recruit 4 other sailors that happened by to steady the mast as we winched it up, then once up we attached the shrouds as quickly as possible.

So, the question is, does anyone else have this mast setup? I'm thinking that one of the previous owners changed out the mast, or that O'Day made a change after mine was made.

Any thoughts? I am also going to call Rudy at D&R to see what he knows.

Thanks all.

The mast on an O'Day 222 should be raised/lower from the stern and not the bow. Check out my picture album on that for more info. http://forums.oday.sailboatowners.com/album.php?albumid=2761

 

[Win and Jack]

The Tanzer 22 had a similar situation in that the anchor position of the shrouds didn't allow the mast to rotate forward (or back) to step the mast safely. But, they solved the problem by having the boat owner insert caribiner type hooks between the turnbuckle and the chain plate. That is all it took. When the mast was stepped, the shrouds were sloppy, but you could connect the inner shrouds which would support the mast while you disconnected the outer shrouds to remove the hooks and then reattach the uppers in the designed manner. Hope this gives you an idea.

Thank you Bill. Great suggestion and I will use it in the fall when we lower the mast and again next spring. Solves my problem for now.

Don't know if you saw my other reply, but I just talked with Rudy, at D&R, and he said we have a Z-Spar mast and he is familiar with the situation. Says he gets a lot of calls about that.

 

[Win and Jack]

The mast on an O'Day 222 should be raised/lower from the stern and not the bow. Check out my picture album on that for more info. http://forums.oday.sailboatowners.com/album.php?albumid=2761

Hi, Joe,

It looks like my first reply did not go through. I'm still a novice at this, I guess.

Anyway, yes, I am aware that most 222 masts are raised from the stern forward. But, we have an odd one that only allows it to be raised from the bow aft. There is only one pivot point in the center of the mast foot and the foot is configured with a curve that allows it to "roll" up only one way. Just talked with Rudy, at D&R and he said we have a Z-Spar mast that O'Day used intermittently, so we have to live with the situation. I'll use Bill's suggestion to use caribiners to secure the shrouds while raising the mast.

Thanks again, and sorry if I ended up posting the same thing twice.

 

[Erieau]

The o'25 raises from the bow too. Pesky, unstable arrangement that it is, many of us have gone to stern-raising by removing the vang ring at the mast base.

 

[Joe11688]

Hi, Joe,

It looks like my first reply did not go through. I'm still a novice at this, I guess.

Anyway, yes, I am aware that most 222 masts are raised from the stern forward. But, we have an odd one that only allows it to be raised from the bow aft. There is only one pivot point in the center of the mast foot and the foot is configured with a curve that allows it to "roll" up only one way. Just talked with Rudy, at D&R and he said we have a Z-Spar mast that O'Day used intermittently, so we have to live with the situation. I'll use Bill's suggestion to use caribiners to secure the shrouds while raising the mast.

Thanks again, and sorry if I ended up posting the same thing twice.

That's really odd. Who'da thunk it?

I hated that cast Aluminum tabernacle that was on my mast. I'd still have it if I didn't lose my mast out off of Newport back in the 1990s. The first thing I wanted on my new mast was a stainless steel hinged tabernacle with the utility plate. It involved having a mast plug made up and the rigger had to cut an exit plate for the Jib halyard. You may want to go this route. You could install a 1" Trex board under the tabernacle on the cabin to make up for the height that you will lose for your stay lengths to come out right. I wound up making my own mast plug a couple of years ago and it works like a champ. Maybe you can have a mast plug made up. Just don't use stainless steel for it. The rigger I had do the work on my mast used stainless steel and it caused some big problems due to corrosion.

One of my friends owned a Tanzer 22 and when he tried raising the mast with the stays connected, the chain plates bent. He had the manual for this boat and evidently he neglected to read the directions. Later on, he wound up raising the mast with the stays disconnected and connected them after it was raised. Unlike the Z-Spar tabernacle, the Tanzer has a pretty heavy duty tabernacle. The mast is pretty heavy duty also.

I really don't know what to tell you except that if it was my boat, I'd make every effort to change that tabernacle.

Joe

 

[Win and Jack]

That's really odd. Who'da thunk it?

I hated that cast Aluminum tabernacle that was on my mast. I'd still have it if I didn't lose my mast out off of Newport back in the 1990s. The first thing I wanted on my new mast was a stainless steel hinged tabernacle with the utility plate. It involved having a mast plug made up and the rigger had to cut an exit plate for the Jib halyard. You may want to go this route. You could install a 1" Trex board under the tabernacle on the cabin to make up for the height that you will lose for your stay lengths to come out right. I wound up making my own mast plug a couple of years ago and it works like a champ. Maybe you can have a mast plug made up. Just don't use stainless steel for it. The rigger I had do the work on my mast used stainless steel and it caused some big problems due to corrosion.

One of my friends owned a Tanzer 22 and when he tried raising the mast with the stays connected, the chain plates bent. He had the manual for this boat and evidently he neglected to read the directions. Later on, he wound up raising the mast with the stays disconnected and connected them after it was raised. Unlike the Z-Spar tabernacle, the Tanzer has a pretty heavy duty tabernacle. The mast is pretty heavy duty also.

I really don't know what to tell you except that if it was my boat, I'd make every effort to change that tabernacle.

Joe

Thank you, Joe. Great suggestions. I was thinking about that and thought I might start to source out a local welder/metal fabricator to make the changes. For now, we'll enjoy sailing her for the summer and I'll deal with it over the winter.

Once again, what a great forum!

Jack