Rudder Issue S2 Model 8B

[Gary Masse]

Hello, my boat must have been converted from a tillar set-up to a rack and pignion wheel. Does anyone own a similar boat who converted as well and can you tell me if you have encountered any issues. My rudder can turn 360 degrees which does not appear to be normal or safe. I should probably convert back to a tillar?

Any suggestions,

Thanks,

Gary

 

[woodster]

Hello, my boat must have been converted from a tillar set-up to a rack and pignion wheel. Does anyone own a similar boat who converted as well and can you tell me if you have encountered any issues. My rudder can turn 360 degrees which does not appear to be normal or safe. I should probably convert back to a tillar?

Any suggestions,

Thanks,

Gary

not sure about the 360 degrees part but my 9.2 has a rudder stop to prevent it from going to far either way i wana say it is about 35 to 40 degrees in each direction......

regards

woody

 

[Gary Masse]

Thanks Woody, my boat does not appear to have any stoppers. The rudder according to my survey is aided by a rack and pignion gear system and the rod to the rudder runs through a fiberglass tube with no access close to the rudder. when I indicated that the rudder swings 360 it was a bit of an exaggeration but it can swing back 90 degrees on its own and with the wheel I can turn it a complete 360 which does not appear right. here are a couple of pictures , one of the gear mechanism and one top view of the gears from the wheel if this helps anyone to point me in the right direction.

Thanks,

Gary

 

[woodster]

Thanks Woody, my boat does not appear to have any stoppers. The rudder according to my survey is aided by a rack and pignion gear system and the rod to the rudder runs through a fiberglass tube with no access close to the rudder. when I indicated that the rudder swings 360 it was a bit of an exaggeration but it can swing back 90 degrees on its own and with the wheel I can turn it a complete 360 which does not appear right. here are a couple of pictures , one of the gear mechanism and one top view of the gears from the wheel if this helps anyone to point me in the right direction.

Thanks,

Gary

are you saying that the wheel turns 360 or the rudder if... its the wheel that is probably ok and it may even turn more than that ...is the boat out of the water if so have some one turn the wheel while you watch the rudder and see what the rudder is doing it should go about 35 degrees of center each side of straight forward or maybe a little more and stop check that first and see what you find out .....

regards

woody

 

[BobM]

Figure out where the stops need to go then perhaps drill a couple of holes on the large gear for stops, which could be pins, bolts, etc...but perhaps with a sacrificial cover like rubber hose to save the other gear from harm. You could also. Try cleaning the areas and gluing stops with JB Weld. Maybe just make them entirely from JB Weld?

 

[BobM]

Correction. Looking at the photos there is a ton of flat area to mount a stop. Just JB Welda couple of hardwood blocks so they hit the side of the horizontal shaft or drill a couple of holes as I said. Depends how tough it is the drill...probably very tough I would guess.

 

[Gary Masse]

Thanks Woody, both the wheel and rudder can turn 360 which leads me to think I really need to install some stoppers which looks doable.

 

[Gary Masse]

Correction. Looking at the photos there is a ton of flat area to mount a stop. Just JB Welda couple of hardwood blocks so they hit the side of the horizontal shaft or drill a couple of holes as I said. Depends how tough it is the drill...probably very tough I would guess.

Thanks Bob, good advice. I will give it a try. Glueing looks like a good option.

Gary

 

[woodster]

Thanks Woody, both the wheel and rudder can turn 360 which leads me to think I really need to install some stoppers which looks doable.

don't know if yours is Edson system or not but go here http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/PDFs/installation/EB405CDiManual.PDF

and on page 8 there is a part in the diagram # 11 i think it is called a rudder stop ring ...you may want to see if you have one or not and go from there ...not sure that gluing some thing will hold up as the ring gear and pinion are very strong mechanically and could just disappoint you at the worst possible time ......

regards

woody

P S also on page 3 read the warning about holding the wheel while backing up or damage to your steering may /will occur

 

[BobM]

Good point Woodster. First choice should be to get the right part, if possible. Do you have any idea who the manufacturer is? If it is or isn't Edson calling them to take advantage of their expertise is a good idea.

 

[Gary Masse]

Good point Woodster. First choice should be to get the right part, if possible. Do you have any idea who the manufacturer is? If it is or isn't Edson calling them to take advantage of their expertise is a good idea.

Hello, I was unable to determine the model of the wheel. I discussed with my local sailing store who suggested, I try the following as stoppers. I inserted two stainless steel clevis pins and glued with exposure glue as stoppers. I tried over the week-end in some pretty strong winds and it held up quite well. when I take out of the water at the end of the season, I will look at having some blocks welded.
See attached picture.

Thanks for all your answers and feedback everyone,

Gary